 workingline dobs,what happened?
#184637 - 03/08/2008 04:29 AM |
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hi
I am into working line gsds,but heard about the working line dobermanns,what made it so different from the mals,gsds and dutch now?considering few decades ago they ranked with the gsds?how come you rarely hear them bein used for police work or pp?would you recommend any kennel which breeds good workingline dobermanns?thanks in advance
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#184638 - 03/08/2008 04:49 AM |
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There are some kennels in Europe producing good working dogs, but have limited experience with them and dont know whether they are breeding entirely to be competitive in only IPO, or if they are actually capable of "real" work.
Dobes became popular and overbred with not enough people concentrating on working qualities. Its hard to find a good dobe now.
I hear about health problems being common with dobes, as well as the preference toward the GSD's because of their coats and durability in harsher weather.
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#184646 - 03/08/2008 08:31 AM |
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Mike as a point of clarification are you suggesting that if one trains in IPO dogs are not capable of "real work". You might surprised if check the pedigrees of those dogs doing "real work" as you would find many dogs with a sport background. Moreover the GSD which is vetted by sport is the most used service dog in the world today.
The reason you can't find a good Dobe now is the same reason you have difficulty finding any good working dog and that is, breeders for the most part, either weakened their breed specific test or just stopped vetting their breed stock. Then they began breeding dogs that, in there opinion, just *looked* like they would and because looks are subjective we have now have today, working breeds, prancing around show rings, that are mental and physical cripples.
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#184647 - 03/08/2008 08:45 AM |
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Norman, I never said an IPO dog could not do real work, I said I dont know if the dogs are only capable of IPO or if they can also do real work. There is a difference.
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#184722 - 03/08/2008 12:55 PM |
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Dobes became popular and overbred with not enough people concentrating on working qualities. Its hard to find a good dobe now.
I hear about health problems being common with dobes, as well as the preference toward the GSD's because of their coats and durability in harsher weather.
I agree with some things you said, but I did manage to find a several good breeders that breed quality working dobies. A breeder who bred Anastasia Germania FR 1 has several nice dobies; however, Anastasia is not with us today. I believe one of their males has PPD and work with the police dept in Germany.
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#184830 - 03/09/2008 08:40 AM |
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There are not many breeders that breed dobes strictly for work, and
it seems the police have some prejudices against the breed, at least in my country. But a few are working as PSDs and even more as
PP-dogs with security-doghandlers. So good dobes can be found if you know where to look. On the other hand, how do you know if the many GSD breeders that are active in IPO and SCH are concerned about their dogs ability for "real work"?
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#184892 - 03/09/2008 01:12 PM |
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Stig wrote:
"There are not many breeders that breed dobes strictly for work, and it seems the police have some prejudices against the breed, at least in my country."
Police K-9 officers in any country can't afford a prejudice directed towards a particular breed that they must depend on, in some cases, for there life. They don't for the most part use Dobe's because they have shown to be undependable. Why that is so has been previously addressed.
Stig wrote:
On the other hand, how do you know if the many GSD breeders that are active in IPO and SCH are concerned about their dogs ability for "real work"?
Of course know one can know, but what's your point. Moreover just to know we are on the same page, could you give us your definition of "real work".
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#184899 - 03/09/2008 01:41 PM |
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Stig, interestingly one of the breeders a friend of mine always talks about is in Sweden.
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#184918 - 03/09/2008 03:09 PM |
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Norman, my point was that many GSDs are breed for IPO/SCH foremost, so what makes them more suitabel for PSD and securitywork compared to the dobes being breed for IPO. Several dobes has been approved by the police own selectiontest during the last years, but they usually end up as PP-dogs for securitydog-handlers, because the police aren´t so intressted even if the dog is doing a good test, so I guess there is a prejudice against dobes in many cases.
Mike, is it dobfanciers kennel you meant? I saw they are planning a litter with a bitch that is a securitydog and also a IPO3, her previous litter had one dog that is a PSD now, the first dobe in a long time.
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#184919 - 03/09/2008 03:17 PM |
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I don't remember the name of the kennel, it might be?
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