having issue with off lead come.

will put in sit/stay off lead then say 'with me' and he flys past me like a bullet.

have been using a 30' lead and he responds everytime, take the thing off him and its like he doesnt know who the hell i am. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

he is almost 6 months ,what's the tip with this one. TIA

From my own experience, I would say age is definately a factor. He is young yet. He is also smart enough to know when he's on lead and when he's not. Even my own dog, who was a dream to train, had a brain "dysfunction" around this age and again around 15 to 20months. My solution was to not let him have free time if he did not "here" at once. I also brought good treats with me and gave him one for sitting before I took him off lead. Just to let him know I had the good stuff. I still reward once in a while even though he's 9, he deserves it. He always comes back first time and I can even call him off from chasing a squirrel. But that's from experience and age.

I am a big believer in responsibly free-funning your dog, but if he doesn't come back he shouldn't be let off yet. Try a smaller area if you can. I hate to bring up breed bashing, but one bad incident with your free running dobe and you could be in hot water. I think I remember someone else having this problem and someone suggested using a very tough fishing line to dupe your dog into thinking it's off lead. Wear gloves though. Good luck. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Firstly, I agree that the dog is very very young. Don't get discouraged as it sounds like you have a nice dog. If you have a problem with the dog realizing that the line is off you can use 50lb test fishing line to fake the dog into thinking there is no line on. Wear gloves so you don't cut your hands. I will admit....I haven't tried this. Richard Cannon has given this suggestion a few times and as usual, a brilliant idea from Rich. I would definately do this myself in the future. It is a good middle ground step before going completely off-lead. But let's be sure not to forget that this pup is very young. Take your time.

PS....Rather than artificially inflate my post count, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I have gone back and edited this post.

Caniche,

I noticed that you mentioned the fishing line sugestion after I already posted. Maybe I should take the time to read everyones posts before I post! Idiot I am.LOL Good advice.

You should try an e-collar because when you desesitize the dog to the collar properly the dog will never know if it is on him or not. I think it is obvious for a dog to know he is dragging around a 30' long line.

My dog responded great to Lou Castle's method of teaching the "here" with low level stim. I was at the training field the other night and someone was "sacking" their dog and Hans being the nut that he is for the sack broke towards them. One long and loud HERE and hit the brakes and came back to me. My club was impressed and I was thankful to say the leasst. Thanks Lou. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Joe wrote? I was at the training field the other night and someone was "sacking" their dog and Hans being the nut that he is for the sack broke towards them. One long and loud HERE and hit the brakes and came back to me. My club was impressed and I was thankful to say the leasst. Thanks Lou.

LC: No thanks are necessary Joe. You did the work. BTW Isn't this the same group that said that you were going to "ruin your dog" with that Ecollar?? LOL

I have found a new use for my Dazzer. Since I haven't found any nasty dogs to repel, I started using it in my training. I have been doing of leash work twice a day for one year. My dog experience is solely from Ed's tapes and his articles. I'm using the Dazzer to get the dogs attention when she's focused on something else. She could be sniffing something or she may see another person or dog at a distance and start to focus on them. One hit from the Dazzer and the tunnel vision is gone and she's back focusing on me. I guess you can call it the poor mans e- collar.

I guess I've got a different perspective on training a 6 month old pup. Instead of looking at it from the point of view of "how can I FORCE my dog to come", I look at it as "how can I make my dog WANT to come?". How can I make coming to me the BEST thing on earth, so he can't wait to come? Whether it's a special favorite toy that I save as the best reward, or extra special food that he can't resist, I look for what the dog wants more than what the rest of the world has to offer.

thanks for the replys. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
yes, sch3 that is ultimetly what i would want the situation to be. and will attempt to acheive those results prior to other coercive methods (i.e e-collar although that may be an option if all else fails) and eventually get to the point that he comes not because of anything besides the fact that he knows what i want of him. but yes, he is young and perhaps i am expecting to much to soon. :rolleyes:

the yard is 12,000 sq ft all grass, so its not like he doesnt have some room to roam.

i'm going to try the fishing line and see how he responds but as was mentioned eventually i think he will pick up on the fact that something is attached to him. hopefully i can condition him with some good treats so he will want to come all the time. good idea.
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