Yep, makes sense to me too.

Yes our home is puppy proofed and yes we have and use a puppy proof crate.

We CAN NOT however put the walls, sofa, entertainment center, tables, and chairs in a magic shield. No matter how puppy proof a home is ... an active normal puppy is going to find things to chew on that she or he shouldn't. You are going to eventually need to correct the puppy. You will also then need to react in some way to the puppy's reaction to your correction.

And that is what we've been discussing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'd like to add one more reply ... I never said how often I need to correct her. What I said was how she reacts and I asked what I should do. She is monitored VERY closely or is in her crate.

Thus, she doesn't get into things 'all the time' but when she does ... etc. etc. You can have a question about your puppy's actions without having these actions take place all day long every day. I just wanted to clarify the nature of my question to prevent any misunderstandings and of course to answer your questions. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

A Barton
Do what works for your puppy and your situation, no one can make you an expert overnight. They can tell you the possible results of your actions.

Now I will say that the Ob and re-direction with fun stuff like a kong full of weanies, makes and builds a stronger bond. None of these expert/skilled trainer became experts over night and different apporaches have to be explored until you can feel a puppy/dog out. The trainers on this board are good at that, right now you are not. Its hard when you both are learning, the same lesson being taught.

I take the information that I can use from these experts and experince trainers and store the data that I find unuseable now.

When they tell me not to do, what I've already have done and I'm pleased with, I note it for a situation where the dog owner doesn't want a dog to do the things I want from a dog. I do, so I'll take that responcibility and so should you.

Your method of restrain and the puppies reaction to it (licking your face and following you) are positive reactions showing that the puppy is giving in. If the puppy acts better using this method of training then the scuff shake (which seems to make her mad). I'd continue the Alpha roll, and after she calms down (tell her good girl), play with her some and then roll out the food filled kong. She will love you for it, and you are show her when she calms down you are pleased, and when Mama's pleased she gets her kong.

Susan Jenulis
Hold on until your son gets back, until then Ob commands and redirect with a toy (the fullied kong again) or crate the boxer until he calms down. Don't break his will. I know it seems like I'm saying different things, but we are dealing with two different situations. One puppy complies and act better, your gets worst.
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Remember oppinons are like ***holes, here's mines.

You're right, you didn't mention any of those things in your previous posts. Sometimes it is nice to include those details in your first post, as it will save both of us a lot of typing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'm not sure what it is you want to hear. It seems like you already have your mind made up. Not sure what your question is, as it has been answered (yes, I read the entire thread; I know what has been discussed). If you're not hearing what you want to hear, then I don't know what to tell you! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Originally posted by Aubrey Barton:
Yep, makes sense to me too.

Yes our home is puppy proofed and yes we have and use a puppy proof crate.

We CAN NOT however put the walls, sofa, entertainment center, tables, and chairs in a magic shield. No matter how puppy proof a home is ... an active normal puppy is going to find things to chew on that she or he shouldn't. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

L Swanston did ask:

"Did you puppy proof your home when you brought your puppy home, and do you continue to keep it in a puppy proofed state? Do you have a crate for your puppy, and is she confined to her crate when you cannot supervise her?"

A pup can't get at the things or damage the things you mention if supervised. It's all up to you, and redirecting. Alpha rolls on a pup are not ok in my books. What's the old line on when the pup does this - you slap yourself in head with rolled up newspaper??

Hey you guys ... why am I getting put down when I all did was ask a question? I'm not trying to argue here.
I can however have some questions regarding your answers can't I? I mean ...why insist on things that just arn't true? It only takes 1/2 a second for a puppy chewing on a bone to turn her head and start chewing on the couch or a wall. It has nothing to do with supervision. The supervision is seeing her do this and immediatly correcting her, instead of some people who come back to the damage and wonder what even happened.
Some of you are trying to make me out to be in the wrong, reacting as if i'm arguing or something and all I was doing was asking a question. It's not very polite.

You all have a good time trying to start arguments. And if that's not what you are trying to do, please try to be more nice to people who are asking you for your advice instead of jumping all over them for no reason.
I feel sorry if I sound upset because but you've really hurt my feelings and made me angry. If you do read back on the whole post I was never mean... and I even gave you compliments. I asked questions because I trusted your feedback and I EVEN changed my methods in trust. So why am I all of a sudden the bad guy to whom your treating so rudely?

I just don't get it.. I'm sorry. I didn't know that having intelligent conversation and asking honest heartfelt questions was a bad thing. I thought that's one of the things this discussion board was for.Goodbye and I'm sorry I even bothered you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Aubrey,

When you have to alpha roll a 60 lb puppy and hold them there for 45 mins things will be different. How do I know? I was stupid and listened to the advice of an AKC obedience trainer. All it did in my case was get Auster really annoyed with me and hurt our relationship. Between that and listening to another trainer now she has 0% off leash obedience. I hope that's not what happens to you!

Aubrey Barton
It is always harder for an experince person to explain a topic, they have had experince with to a person going through it. Because they know the pitfalls and the effects of a bad decison and how it can hurt your puppy. Remember these are dog people not neccessary personal people. They favor the wealth fare of the animal, in your care.

No one is really jumping on you, they are just evaluating and re-evaluating your situation based on the changing input. If you think that was bad you should have heard some of the things I've been called. But knowledge is valuable, just like a coach of a football team, he will curse you out but you learn something from the ordeal,
"hardwork & teamwork", makes you successful.

You asked a valid question. You got some good answers now its up to you to use this information to better your puppy situation. Like a family of sisters and brothers we should be able to disagree and not be put off. As long as you get what you want, who cares if they agree with you.
Keep doing whats works for your puppy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Come back and learn from them, sometimes the lesson painful, if you are thin skinned.

Aubrey,
I'm sorry that you feel as if you are being attacked. Frankly, I don't see it. I see that you have been given valid information, and that you question it in what I percieve to be a sarcastic manner. You can't expect people not to respond in kind, especially when you are asking for free advice. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Have you read Ed's article on raising a hard puppy, or the one on teaching your pup the meaning of the word "No"? I recommend these. Also, you should probably order his tape "Your Puppy 8 Weeks to 8 Months". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Aubrey,

I truly beleive there was no dis-respect intended in this thread. Advice was given...now you can take it or leave it. I don't think anyone was treating anyone rudely. I agree with LSwanston. Think about getting the tape on raising a puppy. I hope you continue to post on the board. For now though, there is no sense in letting this get nasty. Thread closed.