Re: pent up aggression
[Re: Michelle Budd ]
#197412 - 06/04/2008 03:13 PM |
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They have tons of dog parks, but those can be scary, being a ER animal tech ive seen alot of lacerations and proptosed eyes. Also, having a pit bull im sure everyone would run out. Absolutely - dog parks are really kind of ridiculous anyway. I never go to them.
How long do I make her stare at me, til the other dog walks by? the idea is that she should be starig at you while you are working - despite distractions. This is something you will have to teach at home, FIRST.
You don't need a lot of room to this this - I usually start in the kitchen when either no one is home, or everyone is asleep
Treats work for a bit but not long.
the treats are a reward for doing what you told the dog to do - not a bribe to keep them interested
When we go back to my house there are tons of people walking around outside all the time. She tries to sniff them as they walk by, its just when she hears a dog chain clinking high pitched whines start. All this happens on the sidewalk so how should we stand when this happens? If you cannot get your dog to stay in a seated position, step to the side of the sidewalk, and keep your dog behind you until they walk by. You can also try stepping into the street in between parked cars until they walk past. But I would not start there - I would start in your house where the people are NOT. Train the behavior you want, THEN start asking for it around the people, etc. That way there is a clear understanding of what you want when the dog is around distractions. Check out some of the videos and ebooks here on how to train for OB and focus work.
http://www.leerburg.com/pdf/packstructure.pdf
http://leerburg.com/pdf/markers.pdf
http://www.leerburg.com/pdf/treats.pdf
http://www.leerburg.com/pdf/theoryofmotivation.pdf
http://www.leerburg.com/pdf/theoryofcorrections.pdf
http://www.leerburg.com/pdf/whocanpetmypuppy.pdf
These videos would also be worth looking into:
http://leerburg.com/101e.htm
http://www.leerburg.com/302.htm
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Re: pent up aggression
[Re: Mary Velazquez ]
#197415 - 06/04/2008 03:26 PM |
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on the watch me approach, am i used food or anything when another dog is in the distance? How do i keep her staring at me? When i do that she looks 5seconds later she looks away and whines. Then i say "at me" then she looks at me 5seconds late she looks away and whines. If the dog gets closer during this part she tries to get up and then it gets pitchy. So i say sit and she sits along with the high pitchy sounds. I say "at me" then she looks for about 2seconds if the dog is closer. So how do I keep her looking and me and not turn away? Hold her head with my hands? Do i pinch her pinch collar during any of this? She has both pinch and dominant collar on during walks
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Re: pent up aggression
[Re: Michelle Budd ]
#197417 - 06/04/2008 03:32 PM |
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ok, its going to be really hard if you and her are just sitting there while the dog passes by. I think it would make things simpler if you are walking when you see the dog. If youve taught the "leave it" youll need that command. as your walking with the dog calmly in a heel, tell the dog "leave it" and give a reminding tug on the leash, just to recapture the dogs attention, just as the dog starts to turn its head to look.
Timing is essential. make sure that when you start out it isnt going to be more than one or two encounters per training session. too many dogs=nothing gets learned. I wouldnt use pinch collar. you have to have the leave it command where the dog snaps around with anticipation of a super good treat.
on looking at you for more than 5 seconds, I can assure you that 5 seconds is good; fantastic even because nothing is happening to keep the dogs attention away from the passing dog. you have to be doing something that requires her attention. run through different commands until the dog is past. see how long you can keep her in a calm down before she starts wanting to yip and get up (the ears and eyes will tell you this) at that VERY instant, anticipate her, say "leave it" and as she looks around at you give another command, like sit, or heel. and keep the treats tempting her. You are more interesting than the dog. (for now) later it will be, "you must leave it alone and not even think about it" but first she has to know ecactly what she should be doing when the dog passes by.
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Re: pent up aggression
[Re: Michelle Budd ]
#197418 - 06/04/2008 03:34 PM |
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Yes, use food. Reward her at 4seconds over and over again.Build up the time she can concentrate first before you have less distance. So work on it in a place you can control the distance, not somewhere loose dogs can approach.
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Re: pent up aggression
[Re: Mary Velazquez ]
#197423 - 06/04/2008 03:41 PM |
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yes, i have trained leave it. she does fine when the dog is on the other side of the street and i do the leave it and tug. its forgotten about. when she hears dog chains she get pitchy and tries to find it (dog) i say leave it again out of sight of dog forgotten about. ive gotten one step closer to dog and owner on one side parked cars then us in the street. if they are going the opposite way she cant see them once they pass shes fine no high pitched whine. i cant walk on the street if someone is walking their dog in front of us- high pitched screams. i tried doing the sit stay as the dog gets further away, then its scream city everyone looks as stares because it sounds like she is being beaten
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Re: pent up aggression
[Re: Michelle Budd ]
#197463 - 06/04/2008 06:54 PM |
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Michelle,
I'm with everyone else, it doesn't sound like DA to me. Sounds like she's just being a brat. How long has this been going on? Eight months or five years?
If you're SURE she knows the commands, 'leave it', 'watch me', 'heel', etc., then enforce it! As soon as her attention gets off track...........NO!(correction) Heel! Or what ever it is you want. You see her start to turn her head.....NO! 'Leave it'. Doesn't matter if she wants to play or kill, YOU ARE THE MASTER.
At five years old if her OB is to a tee, someones tee is off center. I suggest you start by reveiwing Cameron's and Mary's directions.
If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
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Re: pent up aggression
[Re: randy allen ]
#197476 - 06/04/2008 09:39 PM |
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I would really suggest that you forget about the other dogs even being in the picture and start AGAIN at square one with no distractions. Once you have that, work with a few (minimal) distractions. Then start to up the game. This will take you awile to get through! Not a few hours, a few days and possibly WEEKS before you are around other dogs. In the meantime, AVOID them. Cross the street, whatever. If the dog is not listening to the command under high distraction than either it doesn't fully understand it, it doesn't respect it or your corrections... something along those lines. If you keep repeating the same scenario with this dog without changing anything, you will keep getting the same results.
Give the dog the benefit of the doubt that it doesn't understand, and review ALL the commands. When it is 100% start adding the distractions. Please take some time to review those links above, I think ALL the questions you are hung up on will be answered by doing that!
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Re: pent up aggression
[Re: Cameron Feathers ]
#197616 - 06/05/2008 06:46 PM |
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Thanks for everyones input. This has been going on for 2yrs. I cant tell if its getting worse or its just because i moved into the city where dogs are everywhere. Today I was at a baseball field so there were no distractions and she was fine with sit, stay, down ect... I walked around the field with having her sit and stare at me. I wasnt sure if this was to be done off leash or on a leash. I did both and she acted the same so i guess thats good. Ill keep you posted on the progress, it wont be raining tomorrow so im sure everyone will have their dogs out walking.........
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