Kellie Boelter wrote 09/06/2008 03:53 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #208751 - 09/06/2008 03:53 PM
Kellie Boelter Webboard User Reg: 10-11-2007 Posts: 15 Loc: Florida Offline	THANK YOU!!
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steve strom wrote 09/06/2008 03:53 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #208752 - 09/06/2008 03:53 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	I would think about giving no commands at all in the beginning. Maybe just paying for attention and Baiting him into position and rewarding for just something close in the beginning. Working at a quick pace making a game of it so that it doesnt resemble the strict ob he has been doing.
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Lynne Barrows wrote 09/06/2008 08:04 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: steve strom ] #208777 - 09/06/2008 08:04 PM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	I wonder if it would help when re-teaching commands he already knows to use different command words, so that there is no negative association?
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Aaron Myracle wrote 09/06/2008 11:04 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #208798 - 09/06/2008 11:04 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	New commands are good, if everyone can commit to remembering the new words, and not accidently revert to the old commands. Sometimes its also good to take a break from all the "old" commands, and simply teach entirely new things for awhile, like the hand touch and other fun tricks.
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ann freier wrote 09/07/2008 12:43 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #208826 - 09/07/2008 12:43 PM
ann freier Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2005 Posts: 673 Loc: NE Nebraska Offline	i'm w/connie. we have a rescue Dobie that had obviously been trained OB using compulsion--he acted as if he was going to get a beating every time a command was given to him; head down, ears back, tail tucked, SLOW response. my 14 yr old daughter went to square one with him, used high-value food rewards, and this dog now LOVES OB work, shows animation and enthusiasm for the work. she also did not change commands--just really got excited with him, and rewarded him for the slightest progress. but no corrections. he shuts down with even the slightest tone-of-voice correction (he's a very sensitive guy-a nerve-bag really, but he's ours ). hope this helps--it CAN be done!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/07/2008 12:59 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #208827 - 09/07/2008 12:59 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: alyssa myracle New commands are good, if everyone can commit to remembering the new words, and not accidently revert to the old commands. I found out by accident that you can make a new command when you incorporate new additions to the pack and start saying "Leo sit," and "Leo down" in order to always differentiate (because I never have just one dog there). LEO means "Leo come" and also (if he's here already) ""Leo, pay attention to me, whatever you were doing." None of them seem confused by "Leo sit" or "Pomfret sit" after a few repetitions. Voila! New commands that you don't have to think much about.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/07/2008 01:03 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: ann freier ] #208828 - 09/07/2008 01:03 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ann freier .... a rescue Dobie that had obviously been trained OB using compulsion--he acted as if he was going to get a beating every time a command was given .... my 14 yr old daughter went to square one with him, used high-value food rewards, and this dog now LOVES OB work--just really got excited with him, and rewarded him for the slightest progress. but no corrections. I say GOOD FOR HER! There is nothing ever wrong with backing up to re-teach old commands, either to refine them or, like here, to just wipe the slate clean and give the dog and the handler a fresh start and a good bond. JMO.
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ann freier wrote 09/07/2008 02:31 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #208842 - 09/07/2008 02:31 PM
ann freier Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2005 Posts: 673 Loc: NE Nebraska Offline	i have to say that i was impressed w/Cait's outcome.i AM a control-freak, and it was hard for me to just let her "do her thing" with just general guidance--but it worked very well. just goes to show that sometimes the best words are those that are unspoken...hard as that may be!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/07/2008 02:41 PM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: ann freier ] #208844 - 09/07/2008 02:41 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ann freier i have to say that i was impressed w/Cait's outcome.i AM a control-freak, and it was hard for me to just let her "do her thing" with just general guidance--but it worked very well. just goes to show that sometimes the best words are those that are unspoken...hard as that may be! Wow.... good for you, too! I'm the eldest of seven, and that can make for some little control (some even say bossiness! ) issues...... Dog training can improve seemingly unrelated facets of our character, can't it..... I am hoping that the O.P. Kellie updates us with questions and progress, because this is a board that's loaded with enthusiastic and expert marker-training folks.
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Lynne Barrows wrote 09/08/2008 07:47 AM Re: Building Drive and Motivation in an adult dog [Re: Kellie Boelter ] #208860 - 09/08/2008 07:47 AM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	Quote: Kellie Boelter I have been trying to retrain him using purely positive methods. I have been trying to build drive by playing with him, and he'll maybe show interest 50% of the time, and only put maybe 50% effort into it. How are you playing with him? Have you tried a ball on a string? What are your goals w/ this dog? (ie pet only, schutzhund, etc...) If he's having a hard time seeing you as a source of fun, maybe you could transition by playing fetch w/ 2 balls on strings (orbee) and tugging a little bit (let him 'win'); pull out the other ball on a string to keep the game going. Avoid giving him a command to out the ball...let him drop it on his own and then throw the other ball. Do you have the dvd 'Building Drive and Focus'? I just got it and I'm having fun employing the techniques on the video. Here is the link (sorry if someone has already linked; I didn't read all the responses...) http://leerburg.com/101e.htm
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