I saw that documentary a while back and i am hoping they will air it again. I would love to see how the pack leader intervened in scuffles. (Since I now have a third dog to my pack)
I enjoyed the documentary greatly and would love to watch it again and look a little more closely at it.
I want to be a great pack leader too. I want my dogs to feel secure in my pack, and free to run, explore, play and enjoy life as a dog.
My reason for starting this discusion was to see if anyone else saw the current PETA style trend toward PC dog training. Like the treat trainers of petsmart. It seems to be very suttle. Change a belief here, I.E. Alpha doesn't exist, change a belief there the article in question says that the dogs are only giving in to mom and dad. That in my experiance is very false since the alpha position can change hands easily.. Its this whole idea that dogs are our equals and that they should be allowed to do what they want without any restriction from us. Like this greatest american dog show people honestly refer to the judges panel as animal experts, they're nothing but a magazine editor and two dog activists. It frightens me a little to think this is the current information out there, since most people take wikipedia as a factual source of info..
WHEN I SEE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL, I'D BE WILLING TO DIE PROTECTING IT.
i haven't seen any of those shows, but it's interesting. i don't think our dogs (pets, working dogs, whatever) are exactly like wolves in terms of how they live with us, but i think it's very odd that people would discount that dogs are pack animals, with rank/pack drives, and that people would think that dogs social order wouldn't have that be an integral part of it.
i do though think that society as a whole, at least in north america, is shifting away from seeing dogs as DOGS, and seeing them more as 'human' members of the family, child replacements, whatever. i think we as a rule infantilize our dogs. and that sort of relationship w/a dog i don't think lends itself well to pack/rank issues.
(eta: and i may be no better. teagan has a bald spot on her tail and i damn near had a heart attack)
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Re: New P.C. Pack structure???????
[Re: Rob Bruce ]
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