If you have a hudini, consider an invisible fence as backup to the physical fence. The physical fence lends real security, while the invisible fence keeps him from digging under or jumping over.
In your anecdotes, nothing good happens to him when he's caught. You're very conscious of this in the new training, you recall, treat, release. Recall is fun and enjoyable, but before, you called him to come in and end his games in the yard/street? When he allows himself to be caught, there should be a very happy occasion. Maybe you get the leash and go for a walk together, maybe you get dinner out right away. Until he has a solid recall, never ever call him for an unpleasant reason.
If I reward him for letting me catch him will that not be rewarding him for the entire game??
This time I'm doing everything in my power to not let up in vigilance.... to make sure he won't have a chance to be loose until I know for a fact he will recall.
Since we are starting fresh in the teaching phase I will still click and treat if I have to real him in, but it will be without the puppy party he gets for coming on his own.
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Keep him on the long line. You won't play catch-me because he can't get away. That really screws up the recall training, to call when you cannot enforce and don't know if he will comply. Management of his environment. Setting him (and you) up for success.
JMO.
And Denise is so right about not calling to end a game, to take a toy, to give a med -- for now, the recall is nothing but wonderful.
Dogs live in the moment. You are rewarding the last thing they did. The game was self-rewarding, allowing himself to be caught should be more rewarding than the game.
Thanks again for all the help.
Things are going well so far, he is responding well to the new command.... which I had to change to "Aqui" because I kept slipping up and saying "come here" or something more like "comere"
which wont work at all!!
We are also working on an "inside" command that is rewarded with a big chunk of raw roast, I decided I needed a separate command for coming inside and coming in general, I think it will help some of the avoidance when he thinks I am going to ruin his fun.
Just a quick update... He is doing much much better.
our work on the recall is coming along slowly but surely, he is still stubborn with it, but lots of steak and roast and cheese is helping the process along.
The command for inside is getting much better and I don't have to physically lure him anymore with the treat in front of his nose. He will happily come inside off lead and sits right inside the back door for his beef jerky.
We also have done a line of cinder blocks across the entire back yard and gate and added a lock to the small gate for safety and security. But he still doesn't get to go outside unattended.
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Quote: Jennifer Lee
... I needed a separate command for coming inside and coming in general, I think it will help some of the avoidance when he thinks I am going to ruin his fun.
When I am teaching the recall, I never use it for ending a game, coming back indoors, or anything else unwelcome to the dog.
I just reel him in or go get him for those things while the recall is being taught. The recall is something that the dog wants to respond to because it leads to so many wonderful things (even just a big petting/praise party).
Also, the bigger the distractions that the dog ignores to come when called, the bigger the reward. So outdoor recalls get nice highest-value rewards.
That is why we added the inside command because I needed a way to get him to come inside that didn't include him flopping around and flailing on the end of the lead (temper tantrum!)..it is working so far, he happily trots inside with me to get his treat.
We are working on the recall on lead outside with steak as the reward and it is coming along slowly but surely, I call him to me click and treat and then he is free to go play some more, it is never to end outside time at this point.
Inside his recall is perfect at this point.
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So outdoor recalls get nice highest-value rewards.
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