David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002
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When the dog is done working, and no drugs are found, tell him good boy and put him up. Just remember, he will have to find drugs at some point. Police handlers don't find drugs everytime they search. The dog learns that, I know I'll get my reward sometime, I just don't know when. We as trainers build that time limit in the dog by the way we train.
DFrost
Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
Hey thanks David.
I always switch up boxes, just to make sure of no contamination.
Can you clarify what you mean by this? To me, it sounds like you've put the drugs in every one of your boxes at one point or another. If so, that means there is residual odor in the "blank" boxes you're using.
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So I am trying to take him form the (search= drugs everytime =tug) mentality, to a new way of looking at searching.
Searching, with a possiblity that there might not be any drug finds at all during that search.
I never want my dog to guess whether or not this will be the search that produces no finds. I want to brainwash him into thinking that every search has a find. To me, this makes him search at the top of his game - always believing there will be a find and reward.
How lucky are we to have David Frost on this discussion board to answer questions??!! I really enjoy reading his responses. Some great information and very clearly written.
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002
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Konnie makes a great point about the boxes. If they are contaminated, you are creating the problem and probably confusing the heck out of the dog. You have to make absolutely sure they are not contaminated with drug odor.
You're too kind Konnie, thanks for the good words.
DFrost
Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
Hey, I own a bike company, so I have unlimited access to small, and large boxes. I can change as I like without contamination.
I do see how this COULD be an issue, but not in this case.
I'll take your advice when we train tomorrow, thanks so much, it means a lot!
Hey, I own a bike company, so I have unlimited access to small, and large boxes. I can change as I like without contamination.
I do see how this COULD be an issue, but not in this case.
I absolutely understand what you're saying now. I misunderstood your post. You just get new boxes. Lucky you! Of course, that's assuming the boxes never contained drugs or that the person packing them wasn't smokin' - ha ha. Just kiddin'!
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I'm not an expert having asked David for advice previously too.
What I have been doing is 'free' off lead searches in a room.
My aim all along has been to clear a room in 2 minutes. So far when there has been a sample it takes up to 90 seconds to make a find.
So I would send him into a 'clean' room, watch him work for 45-60 seconds, watch for stress. I know when my dog is going to get stressed and false indicate. before he does this I calmly call him to me, clip the leash on and stroke him all over breifly (calming / soothing) and say "Good search, there's a good boy" I then pop him in the car and quickly prepare a new search area - where he does get a find. The reward is the ball, excited vocal and physical praise.
I wouldn't play tug or anything unless the dog made a find. If a toy is his ultimate reward for the find - you wouldn't want him to think he gets that reward regardless of outcome.
Is it possible that you may que him to indicate a find?
If you are too slow and the pattern you work in is not fluid, could it be you "telling" him to fals indicate?
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