Kathy West wrote 02/10/2009 10:36 AM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Maegan Ward ] #227011 - 02/10/2009 10:36 AM
Kathy West Webboard User Reg: 01-22-2008 Posts: 289 Loc: Nebraska Offline	I have a really hard time getting chicken backs-had a grocery store in town that would order them for me but they went out of business So I just use chicken leg quarters for now (along with the other meats,etc that i fed) So you may want to ask the meat dept at your grocery stores to see if they can do that for you....doesnt hurt to ask
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Aaron Myracle wrote 02/10/2009 11:44 AM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Kathy West ] #227025 - 02/10/2009 11:44 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Eggs (with the shell) are also a good source of calcium and phosphorus, if the diet is a little low in bone. Ultimately though, it is important to find a good source of RMBs.
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Tracy Collins wrote 02/10/2009 01:25 PM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Kathy West ] #227048 - 02/10/2009 01:25 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Quote: kathy west I have a really hard time getting chicken backs-had a grocery store in town that would order them for me but they went out of business So I just use chicken leg quarters for now (along with the other meats,etc that i fed) Build a diet around what you have available. If chicken leg quarters are more available to you than backs, then use them. There's no requirement that RMBs be "bony." If you use a meatier RMB such as a leg quarter, just adjust the amount of muscle meat you add to the meal. I never find chicken backs at the store either--but I have a steady supply of chicken leg quarters and (oddly enough) duck necks. So...go with what you have access to. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Michael_Wise wrote 02/10/2009 02:21 PM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Tracy Collins ] #227058 - 02/10/2009 02:21 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: tracy collins Build a diet around what you have available. If chicken leg quarters are more available to you than backs, then use them. There's no requirement that RMBs be "bony." If you use a meatier RMB such as a leg quarter, just adjust the amount of muscle meat you add to the meal. I never find chicken backs at the store either........ So...go with what you have access to. For a dog use to raw that is O.K., but with a new to raw dog that is already having digestive disturbances, the light meat backs may be a better option. Dogs can be switched using 1/4er's, but if digestive upset arises, light meat RMB's could be the answer.
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Maegan Ward wrote 02/10/2009 03:06 PM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Michael_Wise ] #227065 - 02/10/2009 03:06 PM
Maegan Ward Webboard User Reg: 12-11-2008 Posts: 18 Loc: Offline	I did some calling around today and found a meat wholesaler that can sell me chicken necks for 39 cents per pound. I'm excited! The quarters I'm getting from Walmart are 65 cents per pound, which is good, but not as good. (I Googled my zip code, then searched nearby for wholesale meat.) Since the necks will be cheaper, do you guys think I could feed him mostly necks and boneless venison? My husband is a hunter and we always have several deer in the freezer. (Might change when kids come along, but who knows - maybe they'll increase the tag limits!) Or, are chicken quarters a mainstay in a raw diet?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/10/2009 03:18 PM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Maegan Ward ] #227067 - 02/10/2009 03:18 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Maegan Ward ... Since the necks will be cheaper, do you guys think I could feed him mostly necks and boneless venison? Yes, you could. There are some caveats. One is that it's probably best to start with skinned necks and some ground poultry for a few days. Again, one protein source, preferably light, until you see good poop. Two is that even though necks are pretty bony, they don't allow for a load of boneless meat added. I believe that I figured out once that necks were bony enough to allow for 25% added muscle meat. That is, a pound of necks and 1/4 pound of muscle meat average. I'll find that again.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/10/2009 03:33 PM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #227073 - 02/10/2009 03:33 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	OK, what I worked out a couple of years ago was a pound of necks to 4-10 ounces of muscle meat. This would be part of a varied diet, of course -- so some days the muscle meat would be other stuff (lamb, fish, buffalo, turkey, and so on). Watching the poop is a good way to gauge the ratio, with too much muscle meat triggering soft poop and too much bone making harder drier poop. If you look here: http://leerburg.com/diet2.htm and scroll down to the diet for a 65-pound female, you can see the use of necks in action. Where you see "ground meat," that's where it can often be your venison, as long as you include in that the 5% or 10% organ meat. Again, this isn't what I would start with. It won't take long to get to that, though. Maybe a few days.
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Michael_Wise wrote 02/10/2009 04:05 PM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Maegan Ward ] #227080 - 02/10/2009 04:05 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: Maegan Ward Or, are chicken quarters a mainstay in a raw diet? Keep in mind what Tracy said earlier. Use what is available. My point was that it may be easier on the dog to switch with necks than 1/4er's. After he is a raw feeding veteran, feel free to use whatever you want, necks AND/OR 1/4er's. Why not use as many body parts as possible.
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sue lessner wrote 02/11/2009 03:50 PM Re: Switching to raw - dog has persistent diarrhea [Re: Michael_Wise ] #227202 - 02/11/2009 03:50 PM
sue lessner Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2007 Posts: 139 Loc: 35 miles south of chicago Offline	when i got my shelter dog with heartworm last oct he was on science diet at the shelter,he came home the 1st thing i gave him was an elk bone,started raw right away,no gradual switch,i gave perfect form by thk and we never had any tummy problems.i would try it,worked for us
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