Erin Croley wrote 03/14/2009 05:18 AM recall question #231349 - 03/14/2009 05:18 AM
Erin Croley Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2008 Posts: 152 Loc: Oklahoma Offline	I have been taking my 10 month old gsd off leash on the trails in the woods for about a month now. we always went to the same place. Her recall has been %99 spot on. The other %1 is only bc she would think about it for a second, but come anyway. Even when faced with the distraction of another dog further down the trail. But yesterday we went somewhere new. She saw a man running, I called. She completely blew me off. I ran the other way calling and clapping my hands, still nothing. Luckily all she did was run up to the guy and kind of sit and looked at him wanting to meet him. He said something in German I didnt understand and ran off. She still didnt want to come to me. When I did get ahold of her, she went on leash and we left. This completely squashed any trust I had in her recall. Am I overreacting? Was it maybe her being in a new place? Should we go back to putting her on her tracking line? Or would her e-collar have been a better idea? Thanks in advance. Vlad
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randy allen wrote 03/14/2009 06:42 AM Re: recall question [Re: Erin Croley ] #231352 - 03/14/2009 06:42 AM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	What if the distraction had been a deer, a squirrel, a cat, or the guy had kept running? What methods have you used to train the recall? Off the top I'd say I'd take him someplace where there's lots of runners and continue training the recall. As you've found out, that 1% is a much bigger number then you'd like or need. If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong. Randy
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Erin Croley wrote 03/14/2009 07:17 AM Re: recall question [Re: randy allen ] #231353 - 03/14/2009 07:17 AM
Erin Croley Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2008 Posts: 152 Loc: Oklahoma Offline	after thinking about it, i dont think i want to do off leash at all now. at least until she is older and we've had much more training. as for training, all ive done is use really, really good treats and calling her, and for that one percent that she thinks about it, i run the opposite way and act all excited and clap my hands and she comes running. we did recall at our ob classes too. i think i just trusted her too much, too soon. she can still enjoy the woods on leash. Vlad
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randy allen wrote 03/14/2009 08:06 AM Re: recall question [Re: Erin Croley ] #231354 - 03/14/2009 08:06 AM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Yeah, I think thats a good idea Erin. However don't forget, you'll have to start dealing with distactions sooner or later. If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong. Randy
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Erin Croley wrote 03/14/2009 08:44 AM Re: recall question [Re: randy allen ] #231355 - 03/14/2009 08:44 AM
Erin Croley Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2008 Posts: 152 Loc: Oklahoma Offline	Thanks for the advice, I will definitely start working on the distractions with the long line. Vlad
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Roni Hoff wrote 03/14/2009 09:10 AM Re: recall question [Re: Erin Croley ] #231356 - 03/14/2009 09:10 AM
Roni Hoff Moderator Reg: 02-24-2002 Posts: 256 Loc: Offline	Hi Erin; Randy has great advice. Also, remember dogs think in pictures, so changing just one thing (in this case, a new place)changed the picture for the dog. Dogs do not generalize naturally, we have to teach them. My advice would be to go back to the park,ask for a simple behavior, something the dog already knows, like a sit, but treat the dog as if she was "sitting" for the first time, then up your criteria, quickly. Go to another place and do the same thing. Just as important is the association the dog makes is that a new place means fun with my handler. I would start all sessions, in a new enviroment, with play. Happy Training, Roni PS An e-collar is invaluable tool, but should be used in conjunction with your training. Please consult the e-collar forum for great advice and also the dvd, "Electric Collar Training for the Pet Owner" on this site.
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Erin Croley wrote 03/14/2009 09:48 AM Re: recall question [Re: Roni Hoff ] #231357 - 03/14/2009 09:48 AM
Erin Croley Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2008 Posts: 152 Loc: Oklahoma Offline	I really should have known better than to think all would be perfect in a new place. Along with adding distractions, I will also switch up our walking spots too. Thanks for adding that for me. Vlad
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Roni Hoff wrote 03/14/2009 01:05 PM Re: recall question [Re: Erin Croley ] #231369 - 03/14/2009 01:05 PM
Roni Hoff Moderator Reg: 02-24-2002 Posts: 256 Loc: Offline	You are welcome! Roni
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Dennis Jones wrote 03/14/2009 07:38 PM Re: recall question [Re: Roni Hoff ] #231407 - 03/14/2009 07:38 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	I use an E-collar, no way I'm going to blown off. Used Ed's E-collar training vid. made everything better, sharper and smarter.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/14/2009 07:53 PM Re: recall question [Re: Erin Croley ] #231409 - 03/14/2009 07:53 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Erin Croley Thanks for the advice, I will definitely start working on the distractions with the long line. Great! Groundwork first. The recall is fun to train. When I'm proofing for distractions, along with plenty of venue changes, I am better at it when I have no underlying anxiety. If I do have doubt and we are not in an enclosure, the long line frees my own mind and lets the training stay calm and pleasurable for both of us. JMO.
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