 Pre Selection and Luxating Patella
#231422 - 03/14/2009 10:41 PM |
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Question for all of the working dog experienced handlers/trainers
Would you pass on pre-selection of a dog, if he was a HOT #1 Ace dog with a grade one, luxating patella?
I do believe he has good recovery, drive is there, endurance, all the signs are there, that he would make final selection, and be in need of Master Level handler, he is too much for green handler.
Once the dog finds a several hundred thousand dollars of contraband, would he not be worth paying 1 k or so to repair, especially if dog is fully vetted, current on all medical and there is only small finders fee involved??
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Re: Pre Selection and Luxating Patella
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#231428 - 03/15/2009 07:18 AM |
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I am not a trainer or own a working dog; however, I can make a comment about luxating patella. I have a small dog who has luxating patella in both knees. He had one surgery on his knee and I found out that his mother had a similar surgery when she was younger. I do believe you can pass that horrific genes down to next generation. Just like you do with hip dyplasia.
IMHO, it is not worth to breed if your dog's luxating patella graded 3 to 4 which is considered VERY serious. If you dog has a great work ethic, do you really want to breed a dog with knee problem later on? Just like breeders breeding a borderline hip dyplasia.
Do you know the grade for his patella? There are four different grades, grade 4 is the worst 3 is next, the less is 1.
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#231443 - 03/15/2009 12:31 PM |
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I wouldn't buy a dog like that.
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#231444 - 03/15/2009 12:34 PM |
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I am not trying to breed, he is nuetered...it is grade one,,,and I appreciate your input David. So, you would totally totally pass?? no matter, should, pass selection like a breeze and is a Master Handlers dream??
P.S. I know health check is part of it,and not trying to not disclose, that would be dumb. I respect my craft too much and am trying to build excellent reputation. I am fairly new, and needed to know, if even though SHOULD be Ace, probably a competion prospect with correct handler, would the patella be an issue.
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#231445 - 03/15/2009 12:51 PM |
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It's not so much the cost of having something fixed. When you spend 10 - 14 weeks training, the dog needs to work. Injuries happen, but why should a department subject themselves to periods of downtime when you can just as easily find a dog that doesn't have the built in physical problems. There does come a point of diminishing returns. As a program manager I am accountable. Whether I rescue a dog from a shelter or pay top dollar from a vendor. They still go through the same health checks and would be rejected for the same reasons.
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#231447 - 03/15/2009 01:07 PM |
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But, this is low level, fairly easy fix, and this type dog, is hard to find in Tx. I have found only 2 this year, like him and I have checked about 350 dogs or so,,,,,I do, respect much, your knowledge though, and if you say pass,,,,then I got a problem...coz I have a hot dog, that is not a pet, nor will he ever be...Should I repair and mend, before, trying to place?
I feel he would be worth the repair cost, and since there is nothing to this point except my time...of course, it would be included in finders fee. which is still small, compared to the cost from breeder or other vendor/ Once again, I am just learning I am not in position to do sport with him. so he has to be placed
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#231453 - 03/15/2009 06:06 PM |
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Denise, if you're going to fix him, then have him evaluated. Inform the prospective purchaser about the problems and let them make the decision. I have the advantage of buying only untrained dogs, so I can be more selective. I'm sure there are departments willing to take a chance, that need a trained dog. Just let them know the situation.
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#231467 - 03/15/2009 11:07 PM |
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Yes, Sir, will do. he IS green . I have nothing vested so far, except my time to transport and testing I did. He tested with me, well enough for the pull. I only pull 1's and 2's He was so hot, I had to, I was NOT gonna let this dog pass/ But once I had pulled, then came concern about patella
So need placement with a trainer, just checking beforehand, will this be big issue. So now I see, I need to repair him, then try to place with trainer
Thank you, for your time.
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#231958 - 03/18/2009 05:21 PM |
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Well trainer has him, and states someone has made this dog compulsive,,,she is really really mad, she really likes dog, but he is too compulsive,,,,?????
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#231975 - 03/18/2009 07:06 PM |
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I have a friend who has an agility dog with a this physical problem. She opted not to have surgery performed and he actually does fairly well at agility including jumping etc.
What happens is he suddenly yelps, hops around on three legs and 2 minutes or so later is ready to work again - in fact he was trying to track while on 3 legs. He is a pom / sheltie mix - and is potentially the best dog I have had in to train in tracking, his first lesson was phenominal.
If he's that good (and you have problems finding suitable dogs) I would give him a chance - if he washes out of your programme later so be it.
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