Okay. This is about a week old. But I have been doing a lot of thinking...
Quote: roni hoff
Hi Scott;
Compulsion training is using force (mental, emotional or physical)to teach the dog. An example can be as simple as shaking your head no and turning away from your dog, or as severe as hanging your dog.
When you reel a dog in (working on recall or other training in the beginning and you need to get the dog inside or kenneled) would that be considered force? When does moving in one direction while the dog is going in another direction become force instead of "hey, this way bub!"
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around no force vs needed direction.
I taught my pup to "bring it here", with his toys, by giving the command and an instant leash pop, like Frawley shows for the recall. It only took a few pops before he realized that I was going to keep playing with him and now he does it every time. I've also used with the recall and with "crate". With the latter, I won't pop him until the second time I say "crate" so he has a chance to think it through. Now, he can be in the middle of the kitchen and will go to his crate on command, leaving anything he's doing.
This may well be compulsion training, but it's what Frawley shows and from my experience didn't damage any spirit in my pup...who turns into a clingy puddle of goo if he feels wronged. Let's see what the more experienced folks have to say.
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Quote: jo harker
When you reel a dog in (working on recall or other training in the beginning and you need to get the dog inside or kenneled) would that be considered force?
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around no force vs needed direction.
Reeling in or directional change = force
luring dog (moving treat to face to teach look. Holding food on ground at dogs paws to teach down)= no force
If you put your hands on the dog or use a line to physically move the dog towards you, that is using force (IMO)
Others may have a different opinion, but thats my thinking on it.
Quote: jo harker
When does moving in one direction while the dog is going in another direction become force instead of "hey, this way bub!"
I don't think it ever changes if the dog only changes direction when he feels the leash tigtening. You are technically forcing that dog to go your way if he's tethered to you and has no other option.
the only time it wouldn't be force (again IMO) is when the dog is well trained enough that as soon as he see's you turn and walk in the other direction, so does he. Automatically. Still slack in leash, or he is off leash and does it on his own.
Thanks, Wendy. Makes sense. Luring = dog chooses behavior (albeit with incentive). Leash control = person chooses, dog follows without choice (so to speak).
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Re: Can compulsion training, be trained out??
[Re: Roni Hoff ]
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