Did you start the heeling or loose-leash walking indoors, in a no-distraction environment? This is something I find very very helpful, not to be dealing with new behavior AND the excitement of being outside.

Yes we started it in a nondistraction environment,altough we were using a "gentle leader" per our trainers advice. Now that we do not use him at this time for training we have decided to go with the prong. Also might I ask I am thinking about ordering a small link fur saver from Leerburg, can that be used as a back up instead of a dominant dog collar and can the fur saver be left on all the time and used for in the house type training?

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Yes we started it in a nondistraction environment,altough we were using a "gentle leader" per our trainers advice. Now that we do not use him at this time for training we have decided to go with the prong. Also might I ask I am thinking about ordering a small link fur saver from Leerburg, can that be used as a back up instead of a dominant dog collar and can the fur saver be left on all the time and used for in the house type training?

Can we back up? Where did the dominant dog collar come from?

Or is it just in case of failure of the prong? Or are you maybe using the term DDC but meaning something else?

Maybe I am confused. When watching Ed's video I think he suggested using the DDC in case the prong collar comes apart. Maybe I am way ahead of my self since at her age I would not be doing any hard corrections. Yeah, I am confused....

Yes, you would put the dominant collar on at the same time as the prong and hook the leash to BOTH of them. This way of the prong pops off (which they tend to do now and again) the leash is still hooked to the dominant dog collar which is still on your dog.

The nylon of the dominant dog collar has a smooth action when it passes through its metal hoop. Since your dominant collar will be a bit bigger around than your prong, it will not actually correct your dog. A fur saver would not have a smooth action and would catch, and your dog would get double corrections or extra, unwanted corrections. (unless you hook the leash to the dead ring, I guess)

I have in the past, when I didn't have a DD collar handy, hooked the leash to the prong AND the dog's flat regular collar, although it required having the prong lower on the neck and interfered with the corrections somewhat. IMO it was better than simply trusting the prong not to come apart.

FWIW I also use a DD collar when I walk a dog with a nylon flat collar, to avoid the dog being able to back out of his flat collar.

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... The nylon of the dominant dog collar has a smooth action when it passes through its metal hoop. Since your dominant collar will be a bit bigger around than your prong, it will not actually correct your dog. A fur saver would not have a smooth action and would catch, and your dog would get double corrections or extra, unwanted corrections. (unless you hook the leash to the dead ring, I guess) ... I have in the past, when I didn't have a DD collar handy, hooked the leash to the prong AND the dog's flat regular collar, although it required having the prong lower on the neck and interfered with the corrections somewhat. IMO it was better than simply trusting the prong not to come apart. ... FWIW I also use a DD collar when I walk a dog with a nylon flat collar, to avoid the dog being able to back out of his flat collar.

Ohhhhhhh.

So the DD collar is being used just as a backup for the prong, and not AS a DD collar? I get it.

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

Ohhhhhhh.

So the DD collar is being used just as a backup for the prong, and not AS a DD collar? I get it.

Right.

Ed has a neat little streaming video that explains it (pictures/video is worth 1000 words, right?)
http://leerburg.com/playem.htm?name=flv/ProngCollar.flv

That is a good video and I can't believe that I never watched it before!

http://leerburg.com/playem.htm?name=flv/ProngCollar.flv

I used our prong collar the first time today, I have been putting it on her thru out the week, to get her used to the weight of it.
So she was a bit better I suppose and she'll have to get used to it, but she is good on sits, sometimes quicker than the 2 year old dog.
In time I think it will work.