Don't know who the breeder is but the description sounds like what "Shiloh" shepherd breeders would say. If a normal GSD temperament does not suit your family than I would suggest searching out another breed that's temperament is a match for your family.
FWIW, there are breeders who breed my breed to be more amendable to family life and it does not do the breed any favor when they do so. There are plenty of other wonderful breeds out there that might do the trick for your family, I would suggest doing some research into other breeds. Good luck!
Don't know who the breeder is but the description sounds like what "Shiloh" shepherd breeders would say. If a normal GSD temperament does not suit your family than I would suggest searching out another breed that's temperament is a match for your family.
FWIW, there are breeders who breed my breed to be more amendable to family life and it does not do the breed any favor when they do so. There are plenty of other wonderful breeds out there that might do the trick for your family, I would suggest doing some research into other breeds. Good luck!
That is an excellent point Ingrid! Imagine if people would have done that from the beginning, instead of watering down our working breeds?
I think the breeder we are talking about is royalair. I'd say pass.
I got two working line GSDs from police/east german/ czech border patrol lines that are totally convinced that kids are little ball chuckers and hotdog dispensers. Do some more shopping
If Hans had his way that's all my wife and I would do all day.
Friends recommend that I consider a breeder who produces "old fashioned" GSD dogs as they will be more relaxed, better temperment and have less drive. Our goal is to find a stable, healthy, intelligent and highly trainable GSD. Our expectation is the GSD will be well mannered with grandchildren, family and friends at our home or outside our home.
You expect it to magically be well-mannered?
And here I thought it was the owner's responsibility to train a dog.
Friends recommend that I consider a breeder who produces "old fashioned" GSD dogs as they will be more relaxed, better temperment and have less drive.
That's a funny definition of an "old fashioned" GSD. I think many of us on this board who own working line GSDs would consider them to be the "old fashioned" GSDs. "Less drive" is not part of the definition.
Brandon, I suggest you get your hands on a copy of Max von Stephanitz's book and read about what the real "old style" German Shepherds were like.
For example, the first ever registered German Shepherd Dog was described thusly, by the father of the breed:
"Horand embodied for the enthusiasts of that time the fulfillment of their fondest dreams. He was big for that period, between 24" and 24 1/2", even for the present day a good medium size, with powerful frame, beautiful lines, and a nobly formed head. Clean and sinewy in build, the entire dog was one live wire. His character was on a par with his exterior qualities; marvelous in his obedient fidelity to his master, and above all else, the straightforward nature of a gentleman with a boundless zest for living. Although untrained in puppy hood, nevertheless obedient to the slightest nod when at this master's side; but when left to himself, the maddest rascal, the wildest ruffian and incorrigible provoker of strife. Never idle, always on the go; well disposed to harmless people, but no cringer, mad about children and always in love. What could not have been the accomplishments of such a dog if we, at that time, had only had military or police service training? His faults were the failings of his upbringing, never of his stock. He suffered from a superfluity of unemployed energy, for he was in Heaven when someone was occupied with him and was then the most tractable of dog."
Our goal is to find a stable, healthy, intelligent and highly trainable GSD. Our expectation is the GSD will be well mannered with grandchildren, family and friends at our home or outside our home. The dog is first and foremost a family companion and then serves as family protector.
What do you mean by highly trainable? Do you have specific goals in mind that you want to train for? Highly trainable in my opinion can be a gift or a curse; same goes for intelligence It really depends on your plans for your dog.
Have you considered a GSD Rescue? Reading your post; it sounds like an adult dog who has a proven track record might be a better match than a pup. There are some pretty amazing dogs in rescue and I can say the majority of adults are less work than the best bred puppy (as it should be ) Good luck with your search.
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