 more barking in crate
#243211 - 06/10/2009 09:42 AM |
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So in the morning I take her out for a good walk, then back to her crate to feed. After she finishes eating she typically barks for a couple minutes to say, "I'm done eating, can I come out?" I almost always ignore this and she'll settle down and chill in her crate for a while. After a couple hours she gets restless. That's when she starts yapping again. I know she's been in her crate a while and want to let her out for a stretch and breather, maybe even chew on a kong in my office or something. However, I don't want to reward the yapping by letting her out. Sometimes I'll go to her door and wait for her to quit and down then let her out. But it seems like I'm still rewarding the yapping by coming to her crate door. Suggestions?
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Re: more barking in crate
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#243213 - 06/10/2009 10:07 AM |
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Yes, going to her door when she's barking is reinforcing the barking,(IMO),even if you wait until she's quiet to let her out.
Can you make a point to let her out of the crate well before she's inclined to bark? And then start to vary when you take her out, gradually lengthening the time?
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#243214 - 06/10/2009 10:09 AM |
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Does she have to go pee?
If you are sure she doesn't, what I do is wait them out - my rule is, yap all you want but when you are laying down and quiet THEN I will get out of my chair and get you out. 
You can try and pre-empt her barking time by getting her out before she starts, or let her bark until she settles down on her own, then let her out.
While she is barking, don't get up and come over to the crate. Pretend like you don't even hear her at all. When she is quiet (and preferably laying down relaxing) THEN get up and come to her crate. No quiet, no attention.
Edited by Angela Burrell (06/10/2009 10:10 AM)
Edit reason: I was typing while Lynne was posting!
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#243223 - 06/10/2009 11:45 AM |
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That's what I thought. I'm fairly sure she doesn't need to go potty, she's just wanting out of her crate. I thought the right thing to do was wait her out. However, most times she's slightly ahead of me. Her regular time to come out of her crate is approaching; meaning when I'm ready to take my break and then let her out for some play time. She starts her yapping like 10 or 15 minutes before I'm ready to wrap up what I'm doing. So maybe she won't be settled down when I'm ready for her to get out. I suppose I could alter my schedule to be ready earlier and thus get ahead of her bored yapping fits. Just not sure what to do about when she starts yapping at about the same time I'm ready to let her out.
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#243234 - 06/10/2009 01:56 PM |
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I have also taken a slightly different route, which is to use this as the basis for a no-bark command.
I have sometimes made it a point to become visible but indifferent to the dog. That is, in sight, but looking elsewhere, no attention, no talking, until there is silence, and then instantly turning and marking the silence and opening the crate.
It's an opportunity to teach a "no bark" command, too, which is a very good one to have in your toolbox. When you mark/reward for quiet and then name it, you have the job half done.
At a point where the dog starts to get it about the reward for no barking, I have come in and stood like a statue, no attention or speaking, just standing there in a clear "not letting dogs out" stance, and then springing into mark/reward/open-crate-and-party mode. It's not far from there to a command.
Of corse, if I was just not ready, I'd do what I was doing. But that particular kind of "come and attend to me" barking can be ignored into oblivion pretty fast, IME. 
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#243235 - 06/10/2009 01:59 PM |
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... I'm fairly sure she doesn't need to go potty, she's just wanting out of her crate.
I'd want to be very sure. If I was only fairly sure, I might go straight to go-in-and-stand-like-statue mode so the dog does not perceive a no-rescue-gotta-pee-NOW situation, but sees that I am there and relief is at hand -- and then I'd wait for the merest moment of silence to mark and open the crate.
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#243264 - 06/10/2009 05:19 PM |
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... I'm fairly sure she doesn't need to go potty, she's just wanting out of her crate.
I'd want to be very sure. If I was only fairly sure, I might go straight to go-in-and-stand-like-statue mode so the dog does not perceive a no-rescue-gotta-pee-NOW situation, but sees that I am there and relief is at hand -- and then I'd wait for the merest moment of silence to mark and open the crate.
I do this a lot when Duke's throwing his daily "feed me!" fit. It takes a bit sometimes, but he'll sit or lay down and stop flapping his yap when he sees that I'm impressed. He's learning that he has to sit patiently before I'll even move to open a latch. I stop what I'm doing and go back into statue mode the instant he moves. After I get the door open I say "ok" and he can start beating the crate to death with his tail.
I'm also fond of putting a sheet/cover over his crate when he's just being a twirp. When I hear him lay down and quiet for more than a few seconds I'll get up and go see him.
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#243299 - 06/11/2009 12:32 PM |
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The important thing IMHO is to avoid getting into a schedule. i.e. if dog gets out every 2 hours - if one day you leave it 2 hours 10 minutes it'll yap or if it's anything like my little monster it'll start yapping at 1 hr 55 minutes.
I let her out at any point from 5 mins to 2 hrs (maybe a little longer overnight) and I will gradually build it up, while trying to keep it random.
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#243301 - 06/11/2009 12:37 PM |
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Yes, except for the early days of crate training, when you want the dog to know that if s/he holds it for a few more minutes, experience has taught him/her that relief is on the way.
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