which bloodlines are popular for the malinois and why?
a mediocre dog can be titled with a good trainer and vice a versa
No? In europe is there a growing trend toward the larger malinois
or is this just the ocasional dog. been doing a lot of searching on the net and was curious to know from people that may have more experience

Bloodlines, or kennels?

I wouldnt Mind hearing and learning about both.I would imagine some kennels have proven sucess records. just as Im sure some kennels have bred from certain lines for various reasons to get that sucess.Being new to mals Id like to know who are considered the best kennels and why that is so.if you could get a malinois from anywhere. who would it be.who would you like to see on the pedigree.

Kennel-wise?

Pick up a copy of Schutzhund USA, and read the trial results in the back.
Ot Vitosha (Ivan Balabanov) and Loops de Soleil (Michael Ellis) are all over the place, titling in SchIII all day long.

Take a look at this website, and start making note of the kennel names that seem to repeat themselves:
http://www.workingmalinois.org/

Alyssa
thanks for the info I was already planning to subscribe to quite a few magazines as i try to get involved in the sports. ellis and Ivans kennel I was aware of. Like you said there all over.Ivans kennels are in florida and Ellis is in california.

You can go to this website and see Malinois breeding matches with their pedigrees here Working-Dog.eu

Depending on what you are looking at I'd stay away from kennels that just breed for SchH as while they are good dogs and such. IMHO The malinois that is just bred for SchH is not as strong a dog as one that the lines are more from Ringsport lines either Mondio, Belge, or French. That being said going back 5-6 generations there is Ringsport even KNPV over all Malinois Lines.

So there isn't a lot of deviation yet, but it is starting to dilute with more specialized breedings. There is even some breeders (usually conformation breeders) out there that won't sell a Malinois pup to ANY home that wants to do sport so no biting for these breedings!

When in doubt consult your breeder. Look at what the breeder does with their own dogs IMHO a breeder that covers lots of ground. i.e. Does SchH, Ringsport, Herding, and has animals placed in service homes such as SAR, PSD even as Service dogs for the disabled are all worth a look.

Oh yeah I still like a smaller more agile dog for my chosen sport (French Ring) 45-55 lbs for a female, 52 - 65 lbs for a male. After that it gets iffy to jump the dogs at maximum.

My bitch is 47-48 lbs while the decoys may swing her around and manhandle her when she goes upstairs she doesn't really care and just grips harder. With more fight from the decoy just = more fight from my dog. If I wanted a bigger dog for a PPD such as these 90+lbs Malinois you are talking about. I'd be looking at a well bred GSD not a Mal. As to me then getting a uber large Malinois you are negating the advantages of what is 'The Malinois' in the first place. Bigger doesn't mean better ..IMO.

Edited by Geoff Empey (07/20/2009 08:37 AM)
Edit reason: grammar

I second that

I like small malinois but end op with monsters of +/- 34 kg
Even without any fat, only bones and muscles.


Greetings

Johan

so who are the breeders that are hot right now? why? is it the titles- the trainer-the training method used- or the dog.?