Lisa Smith Webboard User Reg: 11-17-2007
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Hello,
I have been training my G.S. in Schutzhund. I have worked with 2 different trainers. One trainer uses the Harness for Bite Work, and the other insists on a agitation collar, he says I have more control with the collar.. I am wondering what the opinion is with the forum, what do you use? and why?
Thanks for helping me try to decide what is best for my dog.. He is a G.S. and he is 21 months and weighs about 108 pounds. He is doing great with protection but he is very hard to hold..
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I prefer the collar. I used a harness with my Rott but like your one trainer said, I had no control so I switched to a collar. With my Shepherd I went straight to the collar.
more control w/collar, but i prefer the harness, esp for young dogs/working on a tie-out/any beginning agitation or bite work where control isn't so much the issue. the dog can breath better (IMO), don't get choked/self-corrected as much as w/a collar. i do have both, BTW.
besides, you can always have a secondary line attached to the prong/flat/fursaver--IF you're adept at handling lines, lol.
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Dave Deleissegues's Sportdog Club in Morgan Hill. Now that Ann mentioned it, I had the harness for my Rott when he was on the pole because he was choking himself. I went back to the collar when he came off the pole and I was working the line. Where do you train Lisa?
more control w/collar, but i prefer the harness, esp for young dogs/working on a tie-out/any beginning agitation or bite work where control isn't so much the issue. the dog can breath better (IMO), don't get choked/self-corrected as much as w/a collar. i do have both, BTW.
besides, you can always have a secondary line attached to the prong/flat/fursaver--IF you're adept at handling lines, lol.
That or an e-collar if you are all thumbs!
For us .. All depends the application and what we are working on.
I always use a harness myself using a bungee or back tied. As well when I want to run the dog to plug her on to the bite or training the blind search she is always on a harness. That way we can build her up without choking her out.
I bought a beautiful 1.5" leather agitation collar with a handle and it just sits on the bottom of my equipment bag and gets lent out for beginners or older pups.
I use a collar but it is always a fur savor or a prong during training either with a short 1m lead or a 3m light line on the collar to make sure she is recalling of the decoy.
Lisa Smith Webboard User Reg: 11-17-2007
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Thanks Geoff! Great advice! My G.S boy is 21 months and 110 pounds.. I weigh close to that.. When I have him in a harness I am "water skiing accross the field" Actually I usually get control after he drags me about 6 inches..LOL! I think at this pointI will take your advice and use the harness to continue to build his drive and the collar when my back can't take it anymore..
And.. Steve, I have been training at Redwood Schutzhund Club in Santa Rosa, and I also train at Dublin Canyon Shepherd Dog club in Dublin.. I live in Petaluma.. I would love to visit your club some time..
Thanks Geoff! Great advice! I think at this pointI will take your advice and use the harness to continue to build his drive and the collar when my back can't take it anymore..
Even if you use a correction style collar with a tab on ala Koelher is an option if you need to get him under control.
As I've seen dogs on the bite with collars choke themselves out unconcious, I've seen that happen on poorly fitted harnesses as well.
The key is balancing the 2 methods for whatever the decoy needs for the specific exercise.
So to me the question Re: Agitation collar or Agitation Harness? is a loaded question and depends on the dog/handler/exercise/decoy/TD etc.
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