Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Oh no, of course you're right.
She has been, staggering the doses halfway between the med doses.
But yes, absolutely, for other readers, very good to point out that replenishing good gut bugs that are killed by probiotics is (IMO) very important.
There is a kind of antibiotic that is not given with dairy in the diet (certain brands of tetracycline derivatives), but they are clearly labeled, and even then, I would give non-dairy probiotics. I try to stagger it so the probiotics are between the antibiotics and not immediately killed by a soon-following dose of the med. And for sure, I would keep on building up the gut flora/fauna after the protocol.
Don't know when the raw feeding began for this dog, but I put my 12 yr old IG on raw meaty bones when I began this protocol for my ACDx pup in December.
Same symptoms, think she was becoming partially obstructed due to not chewing the bones completely. Also, think maybe it was a lot of protein for those old kidneys.
On the raw (which was TERRIFIC for the pup) the old dog was intermittent constipation, then diarrhea--think maybe the looser stool was all that would get past a partial obstruction caused by poorly chewed bone.
Old dog had never had GI problems before, so she went back on kibble. I couldn't teach my old dog's intestine those new tricks, at least not with those old teeth to boot! I guess in our case 12 years of bolting down kibble was a hard habit to break.
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It was only one small good poop. So I'm hoping that's a good thing. We'll see later on how she's doing. I just think it's weird she's having side effects after stopping the antibiotic. Is that normal? I'm still afraid it's an obstruction.
I'm getting ground chicken necks with my bulk raw food order, so I will probably use that as her bone source from now on. So she can still be on raw, but I don't have to worry about any obstructions with her. Conan can chew the bones no problem. Dolly seems like she can too, but it takes her a lot longer and she won't try unless they're cut in little pieces.
Thanks so much again for all your help everyone! I'll keep you updated!
I think that if any formed poop is coming out there is an even slimmer chance of obstruction.
I see a couple things.
Sometimes the frustration of an upset stomach, with the pain from cramping, can lead a dog to try to poop, but come up unproductive. Maybe only a few drops of softer poo that they force out.
I've even seen dogs strain hard enough from severe stomach upset to express their anal glands.
Also, remember that you fed her some ground beef only meals. That can also produce softer, dark colored poo.
You know this already, but this and any other opinion shouldn't replace professional medical advice. I would hate to say something is fine, and it turn out to be wrong.
I just wanted to point out that the chewing habits of dogs aren't as likely to cause obstruction as too much bone or foreign objects that the dog simply can't digest.
The bones don't get ground into a fine powder by chewing. More than likely chunks of bone are broken off, swallowed, and the stomach does the rest.
Even with ground bone, you feed too much bone over meat, you'll stop 'em up.
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I will have you all know that Dolly had an almost normal poop this morning. It's a little softer than I'd like, but I'm still feeding her a lot more MM than bone. I've been adding bone kinda slowly. Still using pumpkin. Thank you to everyone for your help and concern.
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