Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007
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*sigh* How about just handling each puppy daily for an appropriate amount of time? I've seen a fair number of these stimulated litters and I remain unconvinced that it's any better than just picking up and looking a puppy over for two minutes daily.
In my eyes it does no harm to follow the program but I don't think it's a selling point as people have made it out to be.
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*sigh* How about just handling each puppy daily for an appropriate amount of time? I've seen a fair number of these stimulated litters and I remain unconvinced that it's any better than just picking up and looking a puppy over for two minutes daily.
I thought that was what it was: a step-by-step handling protocol so each one received the appropriate handling ... ?
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What I have in mind doesn't require Q tipping the feet or a wet towel. I'm of the opinion at this point that picking the puppy up looking them over from snout to rump, putting them on a scale to make sure they're gaining weight is more than enough. I've seen the claims that go with these stim tests as very young puppies but never an iota about the control they used. Were these puppies simply left in a whelping box with their dam and no human contact? or were these puppies raised in a normal manner with a normal amount of human contact? Then I've also seen in life puppies raised using this method. Were they better performers than puppies raised using the normal animal husbandry method? No, on the whole they balanced the whole spectrum like any other litter.
Now puppies who had early clicker training start at weaning, there is a program I can get behind.
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I have no idea if the methods are proven to be more effective than ordinary handling or not--but I'd put it in the category of "can't hurt--might help." Since none of the things on this protocol seem too difficult, time consuming, or expensive, why not? It seems to me that any amount of novel stimuli you can give to a newborn puppy is good. Perhaps having a check list of simple to-dos would give breeders with less experience confidence that they are doing everything they can do to set their pups up for success. That kind of step-by-step seems to be what this OP is asking for.
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BTW if anyone has the report from the original biosensor program from the military which pioneered this I'd love a copy. Everything else is a product of Dr. Carmen L. Battaglia.
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I have no idea if the methods are proven to be more effective than ordinary handling or not--but I'd put it in the category of "can't hurt--might help." Since none of the things on this protocol seem too difficult, time consuming, or expensive, why not?
Because protocol like this can hurt and may not be helping. By their own admission http://www.esmondrott.com/rearing.htm
"What also is known is that a certain amount of stress for one may be too intense for another, and that too much stress can retard development. The results show that early stimulation exercises can have positive results but must be used with caution. In other words, too much stress can cause pathological adversities rather than physical or psychological superiority."
When does a 4 day old puppy say it's had enough? The procedure that they adapted this from came from newborn horses which is a very different animal from a newborn dog both in awareness and in instinct.
I have big problems with research like this because the conclusions are way too reaching and are tub thumped as gospel when it may not be the case. Have you seen the works cited for this protocol? How about a peer review?
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