 Steve Brown's "Ulocking the Canine Ancestral Diet"
#279510 - 06/10/2010 02:16 PM |
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Have any of you read his book? He seems very scientific. I'm a bit daunted by his whole idea of "balancing the fats". He does not use fish oil at all, but rather several other types of oils depending on what meats are being fed... poultry versus ruminants.
He does all these studies of exactly the nutrient profiles of different recipes.
I'm concerned about if I"m getting enough veggies into my dogs, particularly the male, who does not like his veggies, so I end up disguising them in scrambled eggs and such. I give Vit. E, sometime B complex, but my dogs won't tolerate C at all.
So I have two questions to discuss:
1) what do you all think of Steve Brown's work?
2) What do you all think about the importance of veggie intake? Does anyone use any sort of multivitamin supplement?
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Re: Steve Brown's "Ulocking the Canine Ancestral D
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#279511 - 06/10/2010 02:27 PM |
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The purpose of feeding salmon oil is not to increase the dog's fat consumption, but rather to ensure that the animal is receiving adequate amounts of Omega 3s in a modern diet that is very unbalanced on the side of Omega 6 fatty acids. 3s are significantly lacking in today's meat animals, as they are typically no longer grazed on grass, and therefore do not supply the needed nutrients for dogs, OR humans.
Salmon, a fish which consumes large quantities of green things during it's life, is very high in those fatty acids. However, it is typically not safe to feed raw salmon to dogs, as the raw fish (if it's from west of the Cascade range) can contain a parasite called a "fluke" which can be fatal to dogs. So, we use the oil to ensure our dogs get adequate Omega 3/6s, as the oil does not contain these parasites.
Replacing fish oil with fats from grain fed poultry or beef, will not accomplish that goal, as they do not contain adequate amounts of Omega 3 fatty acids.
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Re: Steve Brown's "Ulocking the Canine Ancestral D
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#279512 - 06/10/2010 02:59 PM |
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Have any of you read his book? He seems very scientific. I'm a bit daunted by his whole idea of "balancing the fats". He does not use fish oil at all, but rather several other types of oils depending on what meats are being fed... poultry versus ruminants.
He does all these studies of exactly the nutrient profiles of different recipes.
I'm concerned about if I"m getting enough veggies into my dogs, particularly the male, who does not like his veggies, so I end up disguising them in scrambled eggs and such. I give Vit. E, sometime B complex, but my dogs won't tolerate C at all.
So I have two questions to discuss:
1) what do you all think of Steve Brown's work?
2) What do you all think about the importance of veggie intake? Does anyone use any sort of multivitamin supplement?
In addition to what Aaron posted,
1. He is making at least one error if paragraph 1 above is representative.  (I have not read the book.) One of the huge shifts in foodstuffs that has adversely affected the modern diet that's composed of big-ag factory foods is the shift from a balance of 3s and 6s to a very unbalanced load of 6-heavy meats. There are many detailed discussions here of how 6s and 3s work in opposing ways to stimulate the growth of inflammation-supportive and inflammation-suppressing hormones and how critical is is to replace the 3s that have been factory-farmed (among other problems) out.
2. I don't consider produce to be optional. Best of all would be green tripe, but if we don't have that, we make do with glop or other processing of produce. It's a very small but, IMO, not optional part of the dog's ideal diet. But this topic too has been discussed in detail here. 
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Re: Steve Brown's "Ulocking the Canine Ancestral D
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#279513 - 06/10/2010 03:19 PM |
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... There's at least one error if paragraph 1 above is representative. (I have not read the book.)
I want to clarify that his commercial raw food is, as far as I know, excellent, and that I have seen loads of great information on his web site.
I'm kind of surprised about the fatty acid thing in the original post and I commented based on it rather than on the book; I have not read the book.
eta
Maybe there's some confusion about the dog's inability to convert 3s from plant sources (flax, canola, etc.) to DHA and EPA (hence a reliance on oils other than marine). Humans are inefficient at it, but the dog's conversion ability is about zero.
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Re: Steve Brown's "Ulocking the Canine Ancestral Diet"
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This book sounds interesting, so I just ordered it.
I will take from it what is good and still continue to feed the salmon oil because it does wonders for both my dogs.
Thanks Sue for bringing the book to my attention, and sorry I can't add anything more.
Joyce Salazar
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#279527 - 06/10/2010 04:32 PM |
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This book sounds interesting, so I just ordered it. ...
LOL! I'm thinking about it too.
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#279532 - 06/10/2010 05:09 PM |
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Hm... I myself am taking fish oil capsules, which contain all those types of oils. Maybe, since our male is not tolerating the salmon oil lately, I should give him the capsules too, and see if he does OK on them?
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Hm... I myself am taking fish oil capsules, which contain all those types of oils. Maybe, since our male is not tolerating the salmon oil lately, I should give him the capsules too, and see if he does OK on them?
Fish oil capsules (fish oil, period) is heavy in Omega 3s, and that's the reason for taking them. (So called balanced 3-6-9 oils don't address any of the imbalance between 6s and 3s in the modern diet. We have too many 6s to not enough 3s; we need more 3s. To add an oil that's balanced in itself does nothing to modify that dietary imbalance.)
I mentioned caps in your other thread about the dog not tolerating regular fish oil for dogs:
"I would probably go buy a bottle of deodorized oil (for people), even in caps because it's just an experiment, and see how that is."
Not for the capsule, per se, but to try the deodorized oil on the dog.
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