Originally posted by Ann Henderson:
As far a Schutzhund goes, I think it depends on the training philosophy of the particular club. My experience is limited to 3 clubs, all with a bit different style of training:
The third is a club that contains several highline dogs. Protection is taught like an obedience exercise with the dog getting the sleeve as a reward for obeying a command.
I'm a KNPV member, but since i am a photographer for a Dogsport magazine i have the joy to see a lot of IPO-Shutzhund clubs working.
Roger Snollaerst and Bert Aerts, both top level sport-dog trainers work with the rewarding of the dog by slipping the sleeve, as do most sport dog trainers.
If a dog is beeing trained for future service-dog, as in the KNPV we need dog's who are man-focused, so slipping the sleeve in advanced training is out of the question. We slip the sleeve only for young dogs, yust to build the drive, later the dog has to be really man-focused or he won't be PSD, PPD or KNPV material.
However, ther are some club's in KNPV that would take a "prey-trained" dog to the Policedog 1 trials, with the risk of not achieving the certificat. In my personal opinion a pure "prey-trained"dog is not suited as a service dog.
so if you have a man-sharp dog, "don't wurry, be happy"
I am just wondering how is it possible to achive very high level of outing with little manwork, especially with serious dog? From what i have seen by now serious dogs really don't want to let go.
I was bitten by ppd dog (i was wearing bite suit ofcours) that got me 4 or 5 quick bites (hard ones, no fear bites) all over me, and did "out and recall" to owner right away. But that dog is way weaker than those i mean by serious (not to mention level of stress on that dog) but does his purpose very nice and that is all that matters.
Id tell your trainer to forget the sleve and get into suit for your dog.
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I think you need to better understand the difference in training and real world. When in training you have to train things in steps and progress. In training you dont start by training real world end product over and over.
When your dog sees the agitator approaching you should be able to tale your dog to sit and it sit and be quite until you turn it on, that is as basic as it gets.
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
Patrick, I would definately take that drive to check out American Street Ring. I had the chance to check it out for myself a few months ago, and if you're interest is in real-world type training, ASR is where it's at.
Sadly for me, it was a 600 mile trip <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> so it's not something I can committ to at this time, as I'm in college, working crazy hrs, etc., but it was definately worth looking into and I know now where my focus is for the near future. Check it out! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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