I read the article here at leerburg.com/philosophy.htm it says that most of professional dog trainers use that method.
I can't really address many of your questions, mainly because I'm not a PPD trainer.
What I can suggest, is for you to re-read the paragraphs I've pasted from the Leerburg article you mentioned - specifically, the reason that trainers use the 'yank and crank', and what kind of dog using just that sort of method can create.
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These are trainers who intimidate or force their dogs to do what they want (the William Koehler trainers). I call them the old school “yank and crank” trainers.
They put a choke collar on a dog and force it to do everything. Most professional dog trainers use these methods because for them "time is money" and they can get a dog trained much quicker by forcing the dog to perform. The bottom line is with enough force a dog can be trained to do almost anything.
The problem with yank and crank trainers is the dogs seldom like their handlers. In fact softer dogs are often afraid of their handlers. These are the dogs that tuck their tails or lay on the ground when asked to do something. These are dogs that look nervous when they are near their owners. That's because they never know when the hammer is going to fall.
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Phaedra's right. That method is not going to help you or your dog I don't do PPD training, but years ago, I dabbled in Shutzhund. We were always trying to boost confidence, yank and crank methods erode confidence. You can do a much better job of training your dog than that 'trainer' can. Look into marker training and using motivational methods until you find a sport club or proper trainer. Xena needs you to get her away from this guy.
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Criminy. I'm not opposed in the least to prong collars, but what you're describing sounds like a disaster. 5 mos. is young; too young if the dog is scared of the trainer, provided it's because of the trainer's actions and it's not just a genetically weak dog. If other dogs are acting like this, I'd say you need to get out of there, and see if you can't take the rest of the class with you!
How long is the class once a week for? A month? 3 mos? 6 mos? Hard to answer the question w/out all the info, but I wouldn't pay the guy anything if you're accurately portraying his philosophy and actions.
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He told me that he will not use any food or toys reward to train dog. He said dog should respect.
I've heard trainers say that, and it made sense.....in the 1960's.
We know so much more about motivation and rewards to shape canine behaviors that when I hear someone talking about a dog working out of "respect", I wonder why they haven't learned anything in the past 40 years.
On the other hand, $800 for a class a week for an entire year is a fair price.
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This is what the trainer states on his site. But sure doesn't sound like what he does. It is too bad that trainers like this are able to find misinformed dog owners to prey on. Very sad for the dogs.
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