Mary McKeever Webboard User Reg: 02-19-2010
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Hello,
OK. I have a French Brittany hunting dog. He's about 8 months old. His recall rate on come on command is about 90%. I have tried him around distractions and for the most part he knows when I call and he gets to me right away he gets a liver treat. Good motivation. His food drive is really good.
Now we plan on taking him to a phesant farm. My only worry is once the scent of birds is around and he's got more then a park to romp in he's totally going to blow me off. I have to wait till next month but I am getting a dogtra collar 280 NCP. I have a brand new Dogtra 2500 Train and beep collar. I want to teach Finn though with vibration before I move to shock. The Dogtra 2500 only has Shock and Beep. Beep for finding him when hunting.
I am going to be picking up the E-Collar DVD also. I just need to know what to look for that shows he's ready for me to move on to the next step of his recall and bring in the e-collar. I am going to try to get as much advice as possible on here.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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An e-collar? What is the cause in general of the 10% non-compliance now?
Can you tell us more about why he will be off a line? Is it because it's a long stay, or he will be around game birds a lot now, or what? Is this a visit, or a move to a pheasant farm?
Mary McKeever Webboard User Reg: 02-19-2010
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General cause of the 10% of non-compliance is he gets waaayyyy to excited and blimps out everything like a typical little kid. After about the 2-4 time of say Finn Here then gets the idea that oh Mom is calling me.. I do say good boy and rub his ears be refrain from giving him the treat.
He will be on drag line. Its about 20 feet long. He will be going on point when he gets on bird. We hopefully will be a few yards behind him. We are gearing up for him to start his offical training this spring. We want to see how he will be around birds and to just get him aquainted with them.
Nope this is only a visit. No move to a pheasant farm.. though I wish. I will be contacting my breeder also to get some ideas from him too. Mainly I just want to get him used to having a heavier collar on then his flat collar he has now.
If your going to hunt with this dog there is no way I'd use an e-collar on him to keep him from chasing bird scent. What happens when he finally starts training then?
At 8 months old he's a puppy. You need to concentrate on control without such huge distractions.
Marker train a recall and slooooooly add distractions. Don't correct this dog, e-collar or otherwise, for showing interest in bird scent. If anything use it to steady up a point. Just make sure he's really on scent. That can even be a caged bird.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Mary, if you need recall help, let us know. Firming up that recall under very gradually increasing distraction is fun training. "After about the 2-4 time of say Finn Here then gets the idea that oh Mom is calling me" isn't a good method. That is, if you call a dog whose compliance is not reliable yet and you can't reinforce it (like with a long line), you teach the dog every single time that the recall is optional. I'd start over. I would probably even change the recall word, and really start over. Tell us if you want links or ideas. (Like for example, I start indoors, with rewards, in a room that has no distractions but me and my goodies.)
For me, a visit to a big-distraction place when the recall is not 100% just means the dog is on a line, period.
And Bob is totally experienced from the hunting end as well as the basic-recall end.
I think you're going to get pretty much of a thumbs-down on introducing an e-collar in this situation.
Connie brought up an excellent point.
If your calling the dog 2-4 times before he gets the idea your only teaching him the first time doesn't mean anything.
Your giving an untrained command and hoping the dog responds.
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