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Quote: Betty Landercasp
Having pups to avoid pyometra is crazy logic.
Brood bitches get pyometra too.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
This exactly! One of our goldens got it and we lost her when I was managing the show kennel. She was an active brood bitch.
Another one of our brood bitches got it but thankfully we were able to save her with an emergency spay. I don't see how having puppies would do anything except add more unwanted dogs to the world
And the little dog in question here is a pug--which I don't think have the easiest time giving birth anyway because of their anatomy. C-sections aren't without risks.
^^^ This bears repeating. Bitches can die having puppies. They can require emergency care in the middle of the night if they're whelping and a pup gets stuck. They can also have serious health issues such as mastitis and canine eclampsia (which tends to affect smaller breeds much more frequently than large ones).
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And bracheocephalic breeds like this one.... double that. There is very little "natural" about this breed. There was never a "natural" intent when the Pug was selectively bred for a flat "human" face for Japanese emperors' lap dogs. When Emperor Chin Shih destroyed the history of the breed around 200 or 250 BCE, it may well have been to help surround the perceived "human" face (pug nose, flat mouth, eyes less wolflike in their position re the snout) with mystery rather than the steps of breeding selection.
The crowded mouth and bulging eyeballs and much more about Pugs are direct causes for some of the breed's predominant health challenges. They can be prone to overheating, overweight, pharyngeal reflex, yeast in the face folds, PDE, dry eye, and more.
Of course, they were also bred for characteristics that are very endearing, and they are often human-sensitive, stable, fun-loving, and adaptable to even the lower exercise provisions of, say, a low-exercise or disabled owner. There is much to love about these funny-looking and sweet companion dogs.
But I digress. Mara makes a very good point when she says that having litters can be a deadly procedure, and the less "natural" the breed (like this one), often the more danger.
I admit I didn't read the original thread thoroughtly (I got the "not having a yard=enslavement" part and sort of just skimmed the rest...)
There has been some info between the number of heats a dog (or cat) go through without being bred and their risk for pyometra...I'm trying to pull up some articles right now (I'm off campus...the access to the animal science databases is restricted -_-) but that in NO way supports a dog having a litter to avoid pyometra (and what does being outside had anything to do with it?) especially since having puppies comes with it's own risks....there's also that nasty side effect of well, lots of puppies who grow into lots of dogs that need homes.
I'm not sure if I understand the resistance towards spaying especially in a dog you never plan on breeding or are only breeding under the impression it will help her avoid getting sick?
Keeping a male dog intact without breeding him doesn't seem odd to me (especially since with responsible ownership it gets rid of the main reasons to fix a dog...I do think that promoting neutering to the general public IS still a good idea however...), however I've always been taught that with female dogs it's not an "if" with pyometra it's a "when" and while proper management minimizes the risk to your dog's life it doesn't seem worth it for me? I'm also under the impression that many breeders spay their retired broodbitches. Can I have some info on this...I don't have much experience with intact female dogs, both of my female dogs growing up were NOT anything we wanted reproducing and were spayed with no complications or behavioral issues. I'm not sure if I get the "change in personality" part either?
When I managed the show dog kennel, all of our retired show bitches were always spayed, whether we kept them or they were placed in a pet home. That was mainly done to avoid an accidental breeding though or to prevent the new owners from breeding them and messing with our breeding lines. The majority of our dogs were only bred once or twice before being retired and spayed.
And the little dog in question here is a pug--which I don't think have the easiest time giving birth anyway because of their anatomy. C-sections aren't without risks.
So true. This dogs are about as "un" natural as a breed can possibly be.
And I own Pugs and am active in Pug rescue, so this is an "insider" opinion. Well, it's not really even opinion. How far from the ancestors can a breed get?
A long time ago when I first starting looking at getting a dog, I wanted a Frenchie so bad!!! After researching a little, I wouldn't get one because of this reason.
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Seems smaller dogs are more at risk for reproductive problems, I have friends that breed corgies and there female needed emergency c-section last night. Everyone is healthy tho 6 males 1 female. Kind of a large litter for a welsh corgie. Ill post some picks in a differnet thread later on there soooo cute.
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