Excelent Post Lewis! I agree 100% with that! Time for the owner to wake up and take control like a good Alpha would. Screw politics, that ruins good dogs and turns good people bad.

Again, thanks for all the replies. I know it is near impossible to get a feel for the dog's true nature from a post on the board. But you all have come up with valid ideas and I hope the owner will be open to some suggestions. I often get "negative" feedback for suggestions I take to club from things I've read on web boards. I know that seeing a dog in person, several times, is the real way to help with a problem. But I often see people with dogs in similar situations and have found solutions to problems with my own dogs.
And I know there are often several paths to solve the same problem. I just know that I won't "play judge" like I did last time with this puppy.LOL. thanks again.

As per usual I have a different take on this incident.

First off, why anyone is teaching a dog protection that has already bit several people outside of protection work is beyond me. So what if it is the helpers dog. It is the owners lawsuit.

Next, yes, he is out of Fero. Ok, there are varying opinions on Fero. Nerves? Genetics? Who knows, we are on a faceless webboard.

It was mentioned this is a novice handler. What is the first thing a 98% of the novices in the world will do when his dog growls or shows fear? Reach down and try to comfort the dog! Pet it. REWARD it for the negative behavior.

The dog gets its reward. Now, the novice is a little apprehensive when strangers come around. His breathing changes. Maybe tightens the leash a little. Adrenaline starts flowing. All cues to the dog that something bad is going to happen. Now, the dog goes to sniff the person(not bite) and gets the s*it yanked out of him. The dog thinks: "PEOPLE ARE BAD! NEVER LET THEM REACH OUT FOR YOU!"

I would be curious to see how the dog reacts with a different handler. Just for a few moments. Give the leash to someone the dog knows and trusts. Then walk up to someone in a controlled environment(maybe a hidden sleeve) and shake hands. If my ASSumption is correct there will be no bite. Then we know it is not the dog but the owner.
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Michael,

I will agree about one thing, we have very different agendas. I am interested in the dog first. If that steps on your toes I guess I can live with that. I find it interesting that I am "twisting" your words by directly quoteing your posts.

In reality the purpose here is to deal with situations, not the specific dog. No one can "fix" a dog they have never seen. I have seen lots of dogs like this, I have seen those dogs "improved" in these methods. Since the owner of the dog in question isn't even posting, anything posted is going to be others in a similar situation.

Since dogbyte feels the matter is settled from they're point of view, I am going to close this.