Peter Marek wrote 05/15/2012 10:13 AM Teeth Cleaning... #361127 - 05/15/2012 10:13 AM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Hi all - it has been a LONG time - too long that I have visited the awesome forums here on Leerburg! I have a question for those that have had experience with having their dog's teeth cleaned at the vet's office. Kaiser - my beautiful Doberboy is raw fed but has developed some tartar after 3 years and I want to have it removed. He is scheduled for his teeth cleaning NEXT friday (5.25.2012). Is there anything I need to know about the procedure. Should it be done, not done, risks, etc. Many thanks in advance. Just a quick memorial to my sweet Brandy-girl .... Mod note: Brandy's post moved to http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=32263&page=1#361132 Edited by Connie Sutherland (05/15/2012 10:13 AM) Edit reason: moved memorial No, I am not an alien!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/15/2012 10:04 AM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Peter Marek ] #361130 - 05/15/2012 10:04 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Peter Marek Hi all - it has been a LONG time - too long that I have visited the awesome forums here on Leerburg! I have a question for those that have had experience with having their dog's teeth cleaned at the vet's office. Kaiser - my beautiful Doberboy is raw fed but has developed some tartar after 3 years and I want to have it removed. He is scheduled for his teeth cleaning NEXT friday (5.25.2012). Is there anything I need to know about the procedure. Should it be done, not done, risks, etc. You came to the right place: http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=22477&page=1#228983 (Read about anesthesia on page 3) Then more about anesthesia: http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=31279&page=1#348927 And I made this post about general anesthesia:  Quote: Connie Sutherland ... Do you know about the other precautions that make G/A much much safer? As I mentioned, having senior brachycephalic rescues means that I keep up as well as I can on the safest G/A protocols.  Quote: Connie Sutherland I would also read both of these discussions, the first of which is from an anesthesia specialist. On the second, scroll down to "Anesthesia." http://www.amrottclub.org/anest.htm http://www.doglogic.com/spay&neuter.htm In February {this post was in late 2009} I had a dental workup (cleaning, X-rays, an extraction) done on a senior bracheocephalic dog. The gas was Isoflurane and the injectable was Propofol. The dog woke up very quickly after the procedure. (My scares in the past have all been during the post-surgery pre-waking period.) I was extremely happy with this choice. The dog wasn't even dizzy, sleepy, and stumbly when he came home a few hours after the surgery. By the next morning he seemed completely recovered and normal. But along the way I found that not all vets' GP includes steps that I now know are very important, and it behooves us to ask and to make sure we have signed up for these. Number One: http://www.americananimalcare.com/iv_catheter_fluids_surgery_anesthesia.html Number Two: http://www.americananimalcare.com/pethealth/surgical_monitoring_anesthesia.html and QUOTE: Before any major surgery I suggest you have your veterinarian perform a B.U.N. and creatinine test to gauge kidney health and ALT, AP, bilirubin, and cholesterol tests to detect liver problems. Glucose analysis and total blood proteins detect diabetes or other debilitating diseases and an EKG may detect heart problems. Include a hematocrit, a differential and total white blood cell count. It is extremely rare for all these tests to be normal in a dog that is a high anesthetic risk. When we know of problems in advance we can make modifications in anesthesia that protect your pet's life. from http://www.2ndchance.info As mentioned, having a catheter in place so there's no dicking around looking for a vein in an emergency, and having a staff member present whose sole job is anesthesia monitoring, are not standard at all practices, so we need to ask and make sure the vet understands that we want and are prepared to pay for this. JMO! PS Post surgery: http://www.seefido.com/html/post-surgical_attention.htm
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Tracy Collins wrote 05/15/2012 10:05 AM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Peter Marek ] #361131 - 05/15/2012 10:05 AM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	One of my raw-fed hooligans gets tartar too (Ellie, the Leo.) And I even brush their teeth. At age 3, she needed to have them cleaned at the vet's. It wasn't a big deal. I assume they will want you to fast her (no food after midnight the night before), to reduce the risk that she might aspirate something in her stomach while under anesthesia. Aside than that, It's no biggie--other than the small risk that general anesthesia itself poses. We picked Ellie up that afternoon. A little groggy, but just fine. By the next morning, she was back to 100%. Very sorry about Brandy. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/15/2012 10:12 AM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Tracy Collins ] #361134 - 05/15/2012 10:12 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins .... Aside than that, It's no biggie--other than the small risk that general anesthesia itself poses. We picked Ellie up that afternoon. A little groggy, but just fine. By the next morning, she was back to 100%. This was my experience too, with a good anesthesia event. I was SO glad to have done it! Now it's almost time again, and I have no worries about the procedure (except for the cost!). I will have two doing it this time.
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Tracy Collins wrote 05/15/2012 10:24 AM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Peter Marek ] #361136 - 05/15/2012 10:24 AM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Yes. The cost. We paid, if memory serves (it's the sort of thing you like to block out if you can) $700 for everything. That included pre-anesthesia bloodwork, catheters, the cleaning itself, yada yada. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Peter Marek wrote 05/15/2012 11:21 AM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Peter Marek ] #361150 - 05/15/2012 11:21 AM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Thanks for the info on this. Seems like a have a couple questions for the vet but overall I feel much better about this. Thanks so much ! No, I am not an alien!
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Peter Marek wrote 05/25/2012 11:19 AM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Peter Marek ] #361984 - 05/25/2012 11:19 AM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	OK everyone. Kaiser is at the Vet waiting for his cleaning. I took the advise from the folks here, insisted in full blood workup, propofol, full monitoring, etc. Now just waiting for the call to say he's going in, and then to say he's come out. Say a prayer - I love my boy ! No, I am not an alien!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/25/2012 11:28 AM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Peter Marek ] #361985 - 05/25/2012 11:28 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	You are going to be SO HAPPY you did this!
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Peter Marek wrote 05/25/2012 02:59 PM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Peter Marek ] #361991 - 05/25/2012 02:59 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	He's home and resting in his crate. Picked him up and he was a true slobber monster - lol. All is well ! Haven't checked the teeth yet - can't wait till later to see his new minty pearly whites! No, I am not an alien!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/25/2012 05:16 PM Re: Teeth Cleaning... [Re: Peter Marek ] #361999 - 05/25/2012 05:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Well, some dogs have a more cream than stark white tooth color. But wait until you smell his mouth! That was a major wake-up to me. My dogs didn't even have serious bad breath. But it went from "morning breath" to just smelling like a lake .... like water and nothing more. It made me fully aware (like a slap) that there had been bacteria and decay creating the odor before. By day 2 they were eating their real food! (I gave low-fat yogurt the day of ... low-fat just so I wasn't introducing a load of sudden dairy fat.)
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