der Schwarz Elfenbein wrote 09/29/2001 11:22 PM Re: Basics for beginning [Re: Rain ] #31777 - 09/29/2001 11:22 PM
der Schwarz Elfenbein Webboard User Reg: 08-26-2001 Posts: 7 Loc: Texas Offline	I purchased the tape on building drive and focus with Bernard. It is informative and I have incorporated it into my training both obedience and protection " into my arms" . My bitch is not mouthing as much, however, we are still training. I beleive I am on my way to a motivational retrieve. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Happy Training der Schwarz Elfenbein
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MattMoore wrote 10/04/2001 11:57 AM Re: Basics for beginning [Re: Rain ] #31778 - 10/04/2001 11:57 AM
MattMoore Webboard User Reg: 08-10-2001 Posts: 166 Loc: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Vince P.: This causes stress which then causes mouthing. Mouthing more times than not is an anticipation of the out First off, I am new here.. so hello to everyone... Vince, I have a 2yr male Rottweiler..I have not taught formal retrieving yet (new to the world of working dogs) but have done some very beginning protection and OB work... He mouths the heck out of a ball when doing a "play retrieve".... I don't out him, he "throws" the ball to me... could this also be stress/nerve related?? Thanks in advance -Matt
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MattMoore wrote 10/04/2001 11:58 AM Re: Basics for beginning [Re: Rain ] #31779 - 10/04/2001 11:58 AM
MattMoore Webboard User Reg: 08-10-2001 Posts: 166 Loc: Offline	I should also add, that he does not mouth the sleeve (thank God <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) -Matt
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Vince P. wrote 10/04/2001 04:49 PM Re: Basics for beginning [Re: Rain ] #31780 - 10/04/2001 04:49 PM
Vince P. Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 1050 Loc: NJ Offline	Mouthing a prey object is a result of two things. One is genetic and the other is poor training. No question that the single most important element to a full calm grip is genetics. My current Leerburg pup could not have a better grip at 10 weeks old. Now it is my job to teach him that most of the time you can play with your prey but every once in a while you must give it up to me. This way he is not thinking about giving it back as soon as he bites. To figure out just how often to out and the best way to calm your dog while he is biting pick up Ed’s tape with Mr. Flinks. I hope I answered your question. If not please give more background.
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MattMoore wrote 10/09/2001 11:11 AM Re: Basics for beginning [Re: Rain ] #31781 - 10/09/2001 11:11 AM
MattMoore Webboard User Reg: 08-10-2001 Posts: 166 Loc: Offline	Vince, thanks for the response... I don't know if that answers my question (I will have to get ahold of the video first <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ).. I understand what you are saying about genetics and training... but I never "trained" a retrieve... just his natural instinct to chase a ball... does that make any sense?? thanks again -Matt
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Vince P. wrote 10/09/2001 04:10 PM Re: Basics for beginning [Re: Rain ] #31782 - 10/09/2001 04:10 PM
Vince P. Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 1050 Loc: NJ Offline	My point was a dog has a mouthy bite for two reasons. One is genetic the other is stress. When a dog is stressed he will mouth the prey item. The stress could be from expecting the OUT or too much pressure being applied. Amoung other reasons.
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