Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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for other readers, you don't keep a dog on raw while giving antacids, and this is unfortunately not something many vets understand.
Hi Connie - this is slightly off-topic but can you go into that briefly for people like me who didn't know that? Is Honest Kitchen ok with antacids?
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I don't know how soon Connie will see this but......
antacides reduce the highly acidic digestive acids dogs needed to digest the bones that they consume on a raw diet. Without the total amount of this acid they run the risk of not properly being able to digest their raw foods effectively. It also allows dog to be able to eat the less then perfect items that they get a hold of outside (rotting things etc yuck)...the acid & fast short digestive tract moves food fast thru their system usually not allowing any fermentation or growth of bacteria that can make the dog sick. So you want all this on board to keep your dog healthy & keep the risks to a minimum. Not the case when antacids are added to the mix.
I don't know if feeding THK alone -WITHOUT the RMS added, would be a problem with antacids. I'm going to say that since there is no bone in it if fed alone you would be ok. But it is raw feed, per se, although heated to very low temp to just enough kill bacteria. But hopefully Connie will know for sure the answer to this part of your question.
Glad that she is home & resting quietly. Hopefully, all will be well with rest & time. Hang in there, Mike
Mike my folling statement is information for other owners with regard to antacids.
PS: for those that feed a raw diet to their dogs:
Please DON'T give ANTACIDES to RAW FED dogs.
Many knowledgeable vets do understand the crucial role that the dog's extremely caustic stomach acid plays in a raw diet, including being a major player in the dog's defense against food-borne pathogens.
BUT NOT ALL DO. Not all vets have much of a nutrition education, and even fewer know a lot about raw diets.
For an antacid protocol, I always switch the dog to THK or canned or cooked for the duration.
(And of course I would not even consider putting a dog who is on long-term antacids on a raw diet.)
This is something that you will often run across (that is, owners and even vets who don't understand the importance of the dog's G.I. system pH), and IMO it's always worthwhile to post a reminder, as Anne did.
Important point for raw feeders reading this thread.
Or to put it another way, if the dog needs antacids, stop feeding raw for that period.
Dogs' extremely caustic stomach acid is one of their two major anti-food-pathogen tools. (The other is the quick trip from the mouth to the other end, giving food-borne pathogens limited opportunity to colonize.)
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I would keep a good canned food and/or THK (and/or even some eggs to cook up) on hand for any time the dog should go off raw for a bit, for a med or other reason.
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Thanks guys - this is excellent information and makes perfect sense when I think about it.
It's interesting how this situation has just come up with my parents' older 100lb lab. Something strange is going on with him and I think this information explains some of it (though probably not all). Let me back up...
Great info about antacids and raw. One of my GSDs is on raw and has EPI. He NEEDS enzyme powder in order to digest his food or he basically starves to death.
I just found this out a month or so ago and Connie has been our guarding angel with the help she's given me with his diet.
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There are 2 schools of thought to my following statement. Some advise it & some don't. I have not needed to do this (all my dogs were weaned onto raw from raw fed dams) but I personally would probably consider doing so if I were to transition a new dog to raw. Just to give them a head start.
For some dogs....adding some digestive Enzymes to a new to raw dog's diet can help their digestive system adjust to the new diet. It can be used for the first couple of weeks,transition period, until the dog's body builds up the additional enzymes on it's own to process the new diet. I would then taper it off over the 3rd week.
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Sorry, I should have added that. (I thought about it after I had turned off my computer & had to run out...just got back & was going to add that on. Thanks, Connie for doing it.
Didn't want to confuse anyone with my post. It is 2 TOTALLY different situations.
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