E-collars. One of many excellent tools of dog training but also one of the easiest of all dog training tools to misuse/abuse.
Mis-time a correction and the dog has no idea what he's being zapped for.
Mis-time giving a treat/tug/ball/etc reward and the worst thing that happens is the dog gets a freeby.

So true Bob, I have used mostly Ellis, with a sprinkling of Wilson, and the slightest bit of Koehler with my 9 month old, and love the results. I have a very amped up little Czech beauty contently crashed at my feet. I will go to sleep excited about tomorrow as opposed to planning in my head as I go to sleep, a much better place to be.Will I miss a mark "Yes", do I care hell no, 20 extra seconds of tug, big Deal
And you are so right Steve, my most infamous intervention left me with a visit to the E.R to treat the bite I received and a rather hefty legal bill to keep me out of jail, on the positive side I'm confident that guy never whipped a dog with a leash again LOL

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Don't most of them come with basic instructions?

Of course. The people I'm talking about will find them all folded up right there in the box where they left them.

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Don't most of them come with basic instructions?

Of course. The people I'm talking about will find them all folded up right there in the box where they left them.

Even if they read them they won't find much. I just pulled out my Einstein manual.

Here's the training info contained in it:

"Please remember you will get better results with the use of lower stimulation combined with consistent training techniques. The use of high levels of stimulation should only be used as a last resort and in life-threatening situations." page 1

"For example, if you want your dog to come to you and heel, you can hold the button down until your dog comes and heels or if jumping is an issue, you can hold the button down anytime their front paws are off the ground. Your dog will learn that he/she controls the stimulation" page 16

"IMPORTANT TRAINING TIP

E collars should be used to reinforce commands your dog already knows. It is not a replacement for basic leash obedience training, but a tool to allow you to better communicate with your dog.
For best results, use the least amount of stimulation required to get compliance from you dog. A calm and consistent approach to training will always produce better long term results. It is highly recommended that aggressive dogs be taken to a professional trainer for evaluation before e-collar use.

A variety of e-collar training videos are available on YouTube by searching "e-collar training"
Happy Training." page 17

There's a short section telling you to start at 0 and slowly turn the collar up until the dog "first perceives it" but that's all the training info in there. I got more detailed info with a $40 bark collar!

I really don't like them telling people to go to YouTube. There's a certain dog training franchise that floods YouTube. Also plenty of "zap them into compliance" hunting dog trainers.

"I really don't like them telling people to go to YouTube. There's a certain dog training franchise that floods YouTube. Also plenty of "zap them into compliance" hunting dog trainers."

HUGE ditto.

I thought the YouTube recommendation was so strange that I called them to ask about it. The guy who answered said that they were in the manufacturing business, not the training business, and there were some very good videos on YouTube(I agree!) but agreed that might be a better source or just a more specific YouTube source. Very nice and helpful guy

Go look at Youtube? Nothing about Leerburg has? I never would have heard of Einstein if not for the newsletter from here.

I never heard of it either, except for Leerburg.