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[Re: Robert Bingel ]
#389215 - 02/22/2014 08:54 PM |
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when I picked him up in Tenn. he had been out on his own (run away from owner) for 30 days. He was thin as a rail and you could count every rib and back bone on him. I'm sure being gone in the woods of Tenn. he had to hunt to survive. Breaking him of chasing game will probably be a life long endeavor.
Thin as a rail, ribs, back bone, I am thinking he may not have been too successful as a hunter.
My dogs share backyard space with a herd of deer nightly, no chasing allowed.
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
[Re: Robert Bingel ]
#389216 - 02/22/2014 09:56 PM |
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IMHO, from what I've seen posted by Robert here and elsewhere, I'm not convinced that he wants to discourage Zeus from chasing critters. I find it peculiar for someone involved with hunter education.
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
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#389220 - 02/22/2014 11:47 PM |
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Very interesting about it being legal for the deer to be armed. 
I think there's a "priors" restriction.
Hopefully they are required to wear one of those ankle locators to keep tract of where the ones with priors are located.
I'd for sure want to avoid hunting in the woods where they live.
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
[Re: Robert Bingel ]
#389229 - 02/23/2014 04:44 PM |
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IMHO, prey drive is the most valuable tool in your training toolbox. Play ball and tug with him, and learn how to use those items as training rewards. He'll have as much fun chasing a ball as he would killing a rabbit.
If you are so inclined, a GSD with good prey drive is easy to train in many sports. Bitework (protection in IPO and ring sports) is a great outlet for prey drive. It will also instill some discipline and better control around people.
JMO
I will take the advice of not letting chase game animals...even though it's his biggest joy.
What is the adverse effect of him chasing game as long as he's good otherwise? Is it just confusing to him that he can do it sometimes but not others?
Thank you for your replies.
BTW, he's never caught any game animal. Squirrels laugh at him, rabbits evade him and deer flip him off...LOL Ok, ok, Zeus doesn't get to chase anything but his toys, got it! I especially liked the gambler analogy, now that made sense to me.
I think the thread was starting to get off on a tangent over hunting dogs and laws. As a Hunter Education Instructor I am quite aware of the laws regarding matters as such.
Thank you for the replies to my question.
I'm sure I'll be starting new thread questions soon. Let me just read through some of the previous threads so as not to be too redundant. As a frequent member of other forums I know it sometime get tiresome seeing "Newbie Question" this or that, that has been posted previously at length. IMHO, from what I've seen posted by Robert here and elsewhere, I'm not convinced that he wants to discourage Zeus from chasing critters. I find it peculiar for someone involved with hunter education.
Please post a quote from here or "ELSEWHERE" where I have even eluded to not trying to change Zeus' behavior.
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
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#389230 - 02/23/2014 06:23 PM |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkOWUXzxyPE&list=UU0-I1yCJCGb_GD6qIOhWcLQ&feature=c4-overview
45 seconds. Get him Zeus. You're encouraging him to chase some varmint. I know some dogs hunt and some dogs rid farms of pests. That's not the same as a German Shepherd PET being allowed to chase game. I'm kinda surprised that someone with your knowledge wouldn't consider the damage any wild animal can do to your PET, let alone just the fact that's all just for entertainment?
I thought Bow hunters had a certain respect for nature and the game they hunt? Is there something different there on the sewer easement Robert?
So if that's just in the past, that's good Robert. I still find it surprising, but that's fine.
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
[Re: steve strom ]
#389231 - 02/23/2014 06:42 PM |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkOWUXzxyPE&list=UU0-I1yCJCGb_GD6qIOhWcLQ&feature=c4-overview
45 seconds. Get him Zeus. You're encouraging him to chase some varmint. I know some dogs hunt and some dogs rid farms of pests. That's not the same as a German Shepherd PET being allowed to chase game. I'm kinda surprised that someone with your knowledge wouldn't consider the damage any wild animal can do to your PET, let alone just the fact that's all just for entertainment?
I thought Bow hunters had a certain respect for nature and the game they hunt? Is there something different there on the sewer easement Robert?
I have to agree. JMHO.
"Zeus and Bandit out on a walk, Zeus just looking for some deer. He saw one yesterday and he was ON him."
I also hope that it's in the past only. The O.P. didn't seem to have a hint of "I encouraged and goaded the dog ;" it seemed more like "I'm trying to change a natural behavior."
So I was surprised at the youtube videos.
If they belong strictly to the past, then good.
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
[Re: Robert Bingel ]
#389232 - 02/23/2014 07:17 PM |
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Obviously I came here to see if I was helping or hurting my dog's behavior that why I asked the question.
As far as chasing groundhogs...I kill every one I can, whenever I can. Zeus just can't chase them with me anymore. I always had a bigger fear of Zeus running into a copperhead or coyote than anything else. I might have also thought that perhaps he needed a little humility to be taught to him that he wouldn't chase so much.
Killing deer is population control. I bowhunt 12 months a year and shoot any legal deer that comes in range regardless of size or age. But that's not what this forum is about that's many other forums that I subscribe to.
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
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#389233 - 02/23/2014 08:18 PM |
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This reads (to me) like you encouraged your dog to chase deer in the hope that a deer would humble him .... teach him not to chase. Is this what you mean to say?
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
[Re: Robert Bingel ]
#389234 - 02/23/2014 11:30 PM |
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I thought it was interesting that he was encouraging the dog to go after the ground hog but then commented to the dog "that ground hog will eff you up". Calling the dog a "pussy" pretty much shows us you opinion of the dog for not catching it.
That just seems a strange way to teach humility.
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Re: GSD with high prey drive-question
[Re: Robert Bingel ]
#389237 - 02/24/2014 09:36 AM |
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Obviously I came here to see if I was helping or hurting my dog's behavior that why I asked the question.
That's why we're here. In the course of responding to your OP, I noticed that there were some reasons, other than those that you specifically questioned, about why it was not a good idea to let dogs roam the woods disturbing wildlife. Other people read YOUR threads looking for solutions to similar problems, so I (for one, speaking for myself only) try to lay out the full scope of our responsibility as dog owners; not just to ourselves and our own dogs, but also to our fellow citizens and our environment. For me, it's about asking everyone here to be observant and responsible.
I don't think badly of you. I believe you are a good, loving dog owner who just wasn't taking everything into account, and that you are much better informed moving forward. Best of wishes to you and Zeus!
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