The formal and informal commands are night and day. The dog can be somewhat causal with informal commands as long as it responds.
EXAMPLE
I can tell my dog/dogs to "go lay down". They have the option to go to the other side of the room or yard if they wish but I want them moving towards that when I give the command.
If I say "Platz" I want the dog to drop like a rock right where it's at. No feet movement, nothing but a belly plant.
Don't over do the formal commands every day other then in training. They are for trials or for immediate response in a serious situation. It's to easy to get lazy and they become just another command. Still need to obey but not with split second reactions as expected on the trial field/ring.
Lots and lots of very happy upbeat casual recalls can help. Short distances, minimum distractions, and high value rewards. It doesn't matter that he knows the command well enough to do it from 20 ft away. The idea is to form such a strong positive association between the recall and getting a reward that it becomes a conditioned response. Ideally the dog's headed towards you before they even think about whether they really wanted to leave that distraction or not. For that to work the recall has to be set up to succeed.
Short update...Thanx all for your input. As I said, I went back to the basics...Gods!!!! Eliot is is doing absolutely fantastic...his personality change is so dramatically happier were having fun training again. He seldom pulls the leash hard enough where a pinch collar is the only way of control..its unbelievable. I got to hand it to y'all... Working with a high drive pup is very difficult... For both the beginner and the pup..we've both grown from this though..
probably no where in life is this saying so true .
well , maybe except for your kids , but that doesn't count , 'cause they're human lol .
someone on here said a while back " training is supposed to be fun , for you AND the dog "
i don't consider it " training " so much as i think of it as building a relationship . the things you teach the dog represent time spent together . . . make it worthwhile for both of you .
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Two good quotes just above:
"someone on here said a while back " training is supposed to be fun , for you AND the dog " ... i don't consider it " training " so much as i think of it as building a relationship . the things you teach the dog represent time spent together . . . make it worthwhile for both of you .
and
"I feel as if everyday even the most experienced trainers learn something new."
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