Niomi Smith Webboard User Reg: 04-20-2009
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nice pic . . . i see you are in whitehorse . . . do you know my friend and collegue kirstie simpson ( also a big GSD person , involved longtime with CARDA and local SAR ?
Actually I do! Her and Ulu have taken some classes with a Dog School I taught for!
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Wonderful picture, yes! I'm very impressed.
But why are some dogs with muzzles and others not? Do the muzzled ones instigate struggles and the other ones are more peaceful?
They are either new to the pack, so still under "observation", or struggling through challenges. Just because they aren't muzzled doesn't mean they don't have challenges, but the two of the intact males (My black GSD, and the Mali) are harder dogs, so may blow off a hard correction.
This was the beginning of the pack work, shortly after this was taken, my male was able to go muzzle free. He dislikes labs particularly as well as puppies, both of which are in this pack. After balancing the Lab and puppy, he was ok to be unmuzzled around them and was very much neutral to them, they were also respectful of him.
Great how you are handling this. Very good idea. Do you think this would help the one of my Pits, who can get aggressive to my Lab-Mix and my Stray because of jealousie or envy. I don't like to have them always separed, but it's a must at the moment. They will never get used to each other like this. Of course this would have to be done together with different other training measures too. And with avoiding situations which could trigger such feelings of resentment, which we do already. Nevertheless ~ we cannot look into that animal, maybe we might some day not be aware of another trigger.
“If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Wonderful picture, yes! I'm very impressed.
But why are some dogs with muzzles and others not? Do the muzzled ones instigate struggles and the other ones are more peaceful?
They are either new to the pack, so still under "observation", or struggling through challenges. Just because they aren't muzzled doesn't mean they don't have challenges, but the two of the intact males (My black GSD, and the Mali) are harder dogs, so may blow off a hard correction.
This was the beginning of the pack work, shortly after this was taken, my male was able to go muzzle free. He dislikes labs particularly as well as puppies, both of which are in this pack. After balancing the Lab and puppy, he was ok to be unmuzzled around them and was very much neutral to them, they were also respectful of him.
Great how you are handling this. Very good idea. Do you think this would help the one of my Pits, who can get aggressive to my Lab-Mix and my Stray because of jealousie or envy. I don't like to have them always separed, but it's a must at the moment. They will never get used to each other like this. Of course this would have to be done together with different other training measures too. And with avoiding situations which could trigger such feelings of resentment, which we do already. Nevertheless ~ we cannot look into that animal, maybe we might some day not be aware of another trigger.
Each dog in the picture has a handler they report to. That is a must before putting dogs together like this. You need to establish leadership FIRST, then you can challenge dogs beyond what most people think dogs are capable of. Leadership and Relationship are key.
Also, in the pack, we try to have only a few dogs who are working through challenges at a time. The other dogs need to be balanced and stable. If something happens then you only have a few dogs to deal with.
I'm sure it could be a whole 'nother thread. But you would need to establish leadership with each dog individually, start with small challenges, then work up to working in each others presence without socializing. Once you get to the point where the dogs can be neutral to each other while walked (and muzzled) together then you can move to muzzled social time.
Some dogs may never be trustworthy unmuzzled, but neutrality while muzzled would at least allow you to exercise them together and also have regular social exercises.
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Thanks Niomy, this is very a very good and calming advise.Makes great sense. I fear, thet the oen of the Pits, who can get dog aggressive will need to be muzzled, although she attacks only uner certain situations. But these situations are difficil to be foreseen and then it happens so quickly, that we as humans are always slower.
I always will remember this. We alreaday have made enough bad experiences and want to avoid this. Thanks a lot.- Christina
“If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
Thanks Niomy, this is very a very good and calming advise.Makes great sense. I fear, thet the oen of the Pits, who can get dog aggressive will need to be muzzled, although she attacks only uner certain situations. But these situations are difficil to be foreseen and then it happens so quickly, that we as humans are always slower.
I always will remember this. We alreaday have made enough bad experiences and want to avoid this. Thanks a lot.- Christina
The pit and many terriers have little to no warning threat when they get into it with a dog, a critter or people for that matter.
Posturing by dogs is more often an attempt to settle a dispute with a display rather then actual fighting.
Pits and terriers have little of this posturing in their makeup so it stands to reason it's hard to "forsee it happen so quickly".
It can still be seen but you have to be able to read every bit of the dog's body language.
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