Bob Scott wrote 12/27/2015 11:20 PM Re: Heeling and eye contact [Re: Cathy Goessman ] #400192 - 12/27/2015 11:20 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Think about it. We teach the dog eye contact usually with the dog sitting in front of us. We then have the dog in heel position and turn our head to look at the dog while teaching eye contact with the dog at our side. Suddenly were taking steps and often STILL have our head turned to look the dog in the eyes. Suddenly you stretching out your foot steps in the heeling pattern and the dog want to continue what we've taught it, keeping eye contact. Like most unwanted behaviors this wrapping around us is more often then not often created by US. It may seem awkward in the beginning but it wont take long to use your peripheral vision to keep track of the dog's position. This is just one more reason to practice the heeling pattern without the dog. You don't want to be worrying about the dog's AND your body posture/position/heeling pattern/etc at the same time once in the trial ring or field. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 12/28/2015 06:49 AM Re: Heeling and eye contact [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #400195 - 12/28/2015 06:49 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Cathy!!!!!! Thanks for the explanation and the work you made for me. I'm lacking the words out of astonishment and I was laughing my head of! How is it possible to work on a text, which can not be seen ??? Do you have some magical power or how the heck did you do this? “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Christina Stockinger wrote 12/28/2015 08:00 AM Re: Heeling and eye contact [Re: Bob Scott ] #400196 - 12/28/2015 08:00 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Hi Bob! The eye contact is already quite good, unless there is a big unexpected distraction. I have learned it in Marks Relationship course and also in Forrests DVD in the way you describe. Practising the heeling first without the dog is a brilhant idea. It is really a great help in the actual training, when I don't need to think on various things. I've already begun with this today with the result, that my husband came in, gave me strange looks and then shook himself with laughter. Probably thought his wife was going crazy. I didn't explain him anything, said he was distracting me with his stupid sniggering and should better disappear. But he was bright enough to finally guess what I was doing. Training without dog I will now practice with other exercises too. Just great! No problem if someone catches me by making odd movements and giving verbal commands etc. to myself. They shall think whatever they want. Thanks a lot! “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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ian bunbury wrote 12/28/2015 08:35 AM Re: Heeling and eye contact [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #400197 - 12/28/2015 08:35 AM
ian bunbury Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2012 Posts: 685 Loc: whistler bc ca Offline	Yes bob . . . The invisible dog ! I spent hours in the training room at MES working with the invisible dog before class started . One of the ( many ) things I learned down there was the importance of reward placement and in this particular instance , the dog does not have to be looking at a specific thing like your eyes or hand or an object but rather at a space where he knows to reward will be delivered every time . dogs : the best part of being human
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Cathy Goessman wrote 12/28/2015 05:35 PM Re: Heeling and eye contact [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #400198 - 12/28/2015 05:35 PM
Cathy Goessman Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2007 Posts: 1231 Loc: Phoenix, AZ Offline	Quote: Christina Stockinger Cathy!!!!!! Thanks for the explanation and the work you made for me. I'm lacking the words out of astonishment and I was laughing my head of! How is it possible to work on a text, which can not be seen ??? Do you have some magical power or how the heck did you do this? Simply press the quote button and it shows up. Then you just alter the quote until you remove the offending formatting.
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Cathy Goessman wrote 12/28/2015 05:39 PM Re: Heeling and eye contact [Re: Bob Scott ] #400199 - 12/28/2015 05:39 PM
Cathy Goessman Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2007 Posts: 1231 Loc: Phoenix, AZ Offline	Quote: Bob Scott It may seem awkward in the beginning but it wont take long to use your peripheral vision to keep track of the dog's position. This is just one more reason to practice the heeling pattern without the dog. You don't want to be worrying about the dog's AND your body posture/position/heeling pattern/etc at the same time once in the trial ring or field. Hmmm, I think I may have found my problem. I have reduced peripheral vision compared to most people and I wear pretty strong glasses so what peripheral vision I have is very blurry. No doubt I compensate by turning my head a bunch and Maverick has picked up on that focal point. Definitely re-teaching this with that armband focal point. I think a head/face one is just not going to work for us.
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Bob Scott wrote 12/28/2015 10:44 PM Re: Heeling and eye contact [Re: ian bunbury ] #400200 - 12/28/2015 10:44 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Quote: ian bunbury Yes bob . . . The invisible dog ! I spent hours in the training room at MES working with the invisible dog before class started . One of the ( many ) things I learned down there was the importance of reward placement and in this particular instance , the dog does not have to be looking at a specific thing like your eyes or hand or an object but rather at a space where he knows to reward will be delivered every time . When I started in organized OB competition in the late 70s -early 80s my teacher used to put yellow stickum type foot prints on the floor for us to learn the foot work. That was actually pretty distracting to some of us because she was 4'11" and I'm 6'2". Trying to stay in her "tracks" was a pia. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 12/29/2015 04:54 AM Re: Heeling and eye contact [Re: Cathy Goessman ] #400201 - 12/29/2015 04:54 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Quote: Cathy Goessman  Quote: Christina Stockinger Cathy!!!!!! Thanks for the explanation and the work you made for me. I'm lacking the words out of astonishment and I was laughing my head of! How is it possible to work on a text, which can not be seen ??? Do you have some magical power or how the heck did you do this? Simply press the quote button and it shows up. Then you just alter the quote until you remove the offending formatting. Cathy, thanks for revealing the secret! That's awesome! I would never have come up with this idea. Even my husband, who has worked in his job almost a lifetime with computers has never seen this yet. You seem to be a very smart girl! “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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