Leska Emerald Adams wrote 04/30/2016 11:59 AM Free shaping behavior after learned via command ? #400728 - 04/30/2016 11:59 AM
Leska Emerald Adams Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2016 Posts: 10 Loc: Offline	Have any of you reinforced your training by free shaping an already learned behavior which was learned via command-lure-mark-reward? Free shaping takes longer but leads to rock solid understanding. Anybody done this?
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Mara Jessup wrote 05/01/2016 07:25 AM Re: Free shaping behavior after learned via command ? [Re: Leska Emerald Adams ] #400731 - 05/01/2016 07:25 AM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	I'm not sure how it would still classify as free shaping if the dog already knew it? K-9 Knitter
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Cathy Goessman wrote 05/02/2016 02:39 PM Re: Free shaping behavior after learned via command ? [Re: Leska Emerald Adams ] #400740 - 05/02/2016 02:39 PM
Cathy Goessman Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2007 Posts: 1231 Loc: Phoenix, AZ Offline	As Mara mentioned it's not really free shaping but I have used shaping to go back and reset the criteria on a behavior that got muddled. I've also used it for when the dog is really stuck on a lure and doesn't seem to get that they are the one that's supposed to be doing most of the work.
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Leska Emerald Adams wrote 05/02/2016 03:43 PM Re: Free shaping behavior after learned via command ? [Re: Leska Emerald Adams ] #400741 - 05/02/2016 03:43 PM
Leska Emerald Adams Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2016 Posts: 10 Loc: Offline	Thanks. Have never done it this way before and want to test just how well my Newf understands a command that has been taught via luring and performs via word command now. Going to try teaching something very simple and new via luring and also via clicker shaping. And also clicker shaping a known behavior but of course won't give any signals or cues. I want to really know if my dog (and I know each dog is an individual unto himself) learns more solidly via luring vs shaping. Also want to see how much more behavior offering my dog does after shaping sessions. Wondered if anybody else had the same questions and had tried this in some form and what they discovered. Thanks!
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Bob Scott wrote 05/06/2016 11:28 PM Re: Free shaping behavior after learned via command ? [Re: Leska Emerald Adams ] #400780 - 05/06/2016 11:28 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Offering behaviors is more about the dog not quite understanding the the individual command you give so it offers everything. You can proof the individual commands by doing something simple like turning your back when you give a command. You'd be amazed at how this can confuse a dog with such a simple situational change. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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