Cheri Grissom wrote 09/16/2016 12:19 PM Re: Blogs [Re: Candi Campbell ] #402056 - 09/16/2016 12:19 PM
Cheri Grissom Webboard User Reg: 09-30-2010 Posts: 2609 Loc: Michigan Offline	I don't know about whether it's ever been proven in controlled, scientific experiments, but I think any dog owner who has owned multiple dogs for any length of time would agree that dogs learn things just from observing what other dogs are doing. IMO, that includes one dog observing its handler in a training session with another dog. So if you train your dogs in a situation where your other dogs can watch what's going on, it's certainly possible that they are influenced by that. If it looks like the other dog is having a good time and being rewarded, they may be inclined to try similar behaviors.
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/16/2016 12:36 PM Re: Blogs [Re: Lori Hall ] #402058 - 09/16/2016 12:36 PM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	You're absolutely right,Cheri, this is my impression. They are watching so alert, as if they knew perfectly what's going on. They seem to compare what they are have done and the other one is doing at the moment. This may be humanizing, don't know, bit I'm convinced. If they were not interested, they wouldn't observe but take a little nap. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/16/2016 12:40 PM Re: Blogs [Re: Lori Hall ] #402059 - 09/16/2016 12:40 PM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thanks, Candi, that's definitely what counts. Nonetheless I'd love so much to be able to read my dog's thoughts! I hear to often things like: "What a fuss and effort about stupid (!!!) dog". “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Candi Campbell wrote 09/16/2016 05:25 PM Re: Blogs [Re: Cheri Grissom ] #402061 - 09/16/2016 05:25 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Cheri Grissom I don't know about whether it's ever been proven in controlled, scientific experiments, but I think any dog owner who has owned multiple dogs for any length of time would agree that dogs learn things just from observing what other dogs are doing. IMO, that includes one dog observing its handler in a training session with another dog. So if you train your dogs in a situation where your other dogs can watch what's going on, it's certainly possible that they are influenced by that. If it looks like the other dog is having a good time and being rewarded, they may be inclined to try similar behaviors. AGREED 100% And I'm sure there are Studies that do show this is the case -- Wild canids definitely learn survival skills by observing the behavior of packmates ... Actions resulting in Desired consequences are Copied repeatedly, while actions resulting in Dire consequences are Avoided in future if possible.
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Bob Scott wrote 09/16/2016 10:34 PM Re: Blogs [Re: Cheri Grissom ] #402062 - 09/16/2016 10:34 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Quote: Cheri Grissom I don't know about whether it's ever been proven in controlled, scientific experiments, but I think any dog owner who has owned multiple dogs for any length of time would agree that dogs learn things just from observing what other dogs are doing. IMO, that includes one dog observing its handler in a training session with another dog. So if you train your dogs in a situation where your other dogs can watch what's going on, it's certainly possible that they are influenced by that. If it looks like the other dog is having a good time and being rewarded, they may be inclined to try similar behaviors. For sure! I also believe as with humans some will "get it" watching other dogs just as some people are more visual learners. My biggest "heart dog" Thunder could pick up anything I wanted him to learn in a matter of 3-4 tries. Less when watching me work Trooper on a new exercise. From that is was just a matter of refining it. Trooper, also an extremely intelligent GSD is my ADHD dog. His skills need to be done very "quietly and calmly" but he still gets it. Thunder could watch me work Trooper and perform the exact same thing easily on the 1st or 2nd try for the most part. Trooper couldn't always make that connection because watching Thunder and me train was almost to much excitement for him but I never looked at Trooper as less intelligent. I think I connected with that early because of being an ADHD child. Nobody knew what that was back in my school days so it was many hours in the convent basement, the rectory basement, the janitor's closet........but that's all another story. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/19/2016 07:50 AM Re: Blogs [Re: Lori Hall ] #402072 - 09/19/2016 07:50 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	ADHD child? This must have been a very difficult time in your schooldays, as such a child has to suffer much from the uncomprehension and the resulting unjustice of some people. When I was a school teacher I had some ADHD children. At that time, they were mostly misjudged and I had to learn how to get a good bond with them. Bob, no, that's not "all another story"! This is a dog connected one. I'm definitely sure, that at least partly this was a factor, - an important one -, why you could read so well your dogs. ADHD children were (and still are)often so horribly misunderstood, because their brain is differently structured. A bit simplified said: They think more in pictures than in words. Dogs too. Means, you and the dogs could understand each other much easier. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 09/19/2016 10:53 PM Re: Blogs [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #402073 - 09/19/2016 10:53 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Character building! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/20/2016 05:59 AM Re: Blogs [Re: Lori Hall ] #402074 - 09/20/2016 05:59 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Sure it is, but is means also building of varios capabilities, which some people have no idea of. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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