Mike Arnold wrote 09/25/2018 01:51 PM Re: Body awareness on ladder [Re: Kelly ] #406874 - 09/25/2018 01:51 PM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	I would echo Kelly's remarks. Over the years I have put all kinds of in the air training challenges together for the dogs. And personally I would not attempt to have the dog go backwards up a ladder. I've put various height ladders together with planks and the tail gate of my truck, and crates, and all kinds of level and inclined in the air challenges. My neighbors thought I was a bit nuts but the dogs enjoyed the workouts, seemingly, and especially the reward treats. A big challenge for me was getting a dog to completely come down a ladder rather than jump the last two or so rungs. Or to stop on a ladder on command. Sitting on a plank was an interesting accomplishment. Yeah, I think the backing up a ladder is a bit of training I would not be inclined to undertake. Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/26/2018 05:14 AM Re: Body awareness on ladder [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #406877 - 09/26/2018 05:14 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thanks, Kelly and Mike. Yes I can see this now. Climbing backward might result in getting into a very akward, even dangerous misstep between two laddersteps. So I'll refrain from doing this. Better to increase slowly the challenge the way you describe, Mike. Just great! Very happy to get such suggestions. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 09/26/2018 10:41 PM Re: Body awareness on ladder [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #406880 - 09/26/2018 10:41 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Ditto on the climbing backwards. Even coming down head first can be very tricky as Mike mentioned. In Schutzhund/IPO a lot of dogs would just leap off the top of the A frame and get injured. Many are taking the cue from agility people and are teaching a "touch zone" at the bottom of their equiptment and the dog looses point for NOT making contact with those "touch points". Not a rule in Schutzhund/IPO but it goes a long way towards keeping the dog safe. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/27/2018 05:23 AM Re: Body awareness on ladder [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #406881 - 09/27/2018 05:23 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Keeping the dogs safe has without doubt priority. I actually saw the exercises I mentioned for far down the road. I was just thinking how I could use the ladder later on in different ways. Very glad you all made me aware of the pitfalls and dangers. I'll leave this, there are enough new and safe body awareness exercises to be trained and others to be refined. I find the idea of teaching a touch zone great. Not on the ladder of course. But I think this can be done in a secure way too. In Mark Keatings Rel.ship Games 2 there is a module where the dogs have to run from a touch pad to a slightly elevated bar, jump over it, run to and touch the pad on the opposite side, then come to me, run back to and touch the second pad and so on. All in an exact rythm. If I'm not mistaken, I could call this kind of touch point exercise too??Or when they are zigzagging over the ladder lying on the ground I could also combine this with some touch points right and left? “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 09/27/2018 10:51 PM Re: Body awareness on ladder [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #406882 - 09/27/2018 10:51 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	No reason why not! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/29/2018 05:14 AM Re: Body awareness on ladder [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #406889 - 09/29/2018 05:14 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thanks, Bob. but --- any reason for? “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 09/29/2018 11:03 PM Re: Body awareness on ladder [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #406893 - 09/29/2018 11:03 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	The biggest thing that I see as a failure in training is a lack of consistency. I think you understand that well. If you and the dog are having fun and there is no loosing ground with the training then it's all good. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/30/2018 05:05 AM Re: Body awareness on ladder [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #406895 - 09/30/2018 05:05 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thanks! I think I have it, but probably not 100% “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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