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cross training a assistance dog as a PPD?
#39928 - 09/27/2001 09:40 PM |
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Would it be possible to train a asistance dog to double as personal protection dog? Would a dog with the drives needed to be a effective PPD be unsuitiable as a asssitance dog? Many disabled people must have some concerns for their security, especially if their mobility is curtailed.
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Re: cross training a assistance dog as a PPD?
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#39929 - 09/27/2001 11:09 PM |
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Brendan,
Many of the assistance dogs our trainer trains are also protection dogs. One of his clients was put in the hospital for beatings by his paid caretakers, until he got the GSD assistance dog. It hasn't happened since.
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Re: cross training a assistance dog as a PPD?
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#39930 - 10/01/2001 12:23 PM |
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Hi Brendan, Yes dogs can be crossed trained.
The issues with Assistance Dogs are really those of a) good nerves and the ability to pass the access test and b) the ability to do the work needed, depending on the disability.
The dog must be under full control on and off leash for the access test. There are small dogs that are strictly used as hearing dogs, or seizure response dogs, I don't think that they are ideal as protection dogs, and there are protection dogs, that may not have the temperament for outings in the community. As long as all the safety requirements are met, then there is no problem with this. When doing the protection training the dog must only react when told to do so, and "out" cleanly. As an example, One couldn't have a waiter at a restaurant trip and fall on the handler and have the dog react. There must be clear communication between dog and handler. I hope this helps.
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#39931 - 11/27/2001 12:35 PM |
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Shoot, I'm sorry this thread is old but I too was wondering if a service dog could also be trained for protection. I am in a wheelchair and just the other day while out alone with my dog, a teenaged boy on a bicycle shouted an insult at me after passing me by. I was too surprised to say anything back until he was well down the road from me. The more I thought about it, I wondered what might have happen had I DID say something back and this waste of good oxygen had a screw loose and came at me. My dog, though a Doberman, would be useless in such a situation. How would one go about obtaining a dog with both types of training and how costly would such a dog be?
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Re: cross training a assistance dog as a PPD?
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#39932 - 12/07/2001 10:59 AM |
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Hi Kitty, You may not infact need a full protection dog. I don't know of any place that would train for both, but you can do some training yourself with your own dog, and it wouldn't take too long. If you have a doberman, his/her breed alone should distract some idiots. What you could do is teach him to bark on command. Use a command or hand signal that isn't 'speak' or 'bark'. I use 'guard' for my dog you could use 'protect', 'watch', whatever you want. He will bark loudly and people have backed off. I have a yellow lab, hardly a killer. He wouldn't know how to hurt anyone, but they don't know that. There is a lot to training a PPD as there is a lot to training a service dog. If you train a solid bark on command, you are steps ahead. I hope this is helpful. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#181782 - 02/21/2008 01:04 AM |
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I have a chocolate lab that I am self training to be a service dog. We have done a very little protection work and she has taken to it like a champ. My trainer seems to think it will be ok to have both.
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#181783 - 02/21/2008 02:43 AM |
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While theoretically it is possible, the type of dog that would make a great protection dog is possibly too much dog for someone with a physical disability to handle. It's more than just going out and buying a ready trained dog, there is alot of maintenance training involved that needs to be done by the handler.
There is alot more to this question than "can a service dog be a PPD" (or vice versa). Like I said, in theory this is possible, but in reality it entirely depends on the individuals situation and dog handling/training abilities too.
Sometimes a nice aggressive display is all most people really need.
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Re: cross training a assistance dog as a PPD?
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#181789 - 02/21/2008 04:58 AM |
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I also am trying this. I would love any help or ideas any one can give me. I was just training my pup to do PPD, but I need a service dog and i'm not sure he has it in him to be a PPD. So right now I'm working on OB and bite work. Soon I will start service training him but keep on the bite work and go from there. We will see!
Yhe kind of service dog I need hime to be assistance dog I need him to do things like pick things up, bringing things to me, holding doors and things like that. To do things I don't have the strangth to do.
Any training ideas would be very helpful. Thanks. Christi
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#181826 - 02/21/2008 10:49 AM |
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Here's the best training idea for this concept - don't.
It's a bad, bad, idea.
As Mike said, the type of dog that makes a good PPD will not make a good service dog.
Plus, a "service dog" is generally let into public areas that a PPD would never be.....one slip up and you have a bite. When the victim and the general public find out that you've trained a service dog in bite training, it'll be a sh*t storm that you won't believe. No service dog organization would back you after finding out that you've bite trained your dog, and the opposing attorney will make you out to be a careless idiot.
You'll lose big in a bite lawsuit with this kind of background.
Honestly, you'll set yourself up for a massive problem if you do this. Think about it, and if you need a service dog and a PPD, get two dogs.
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#181828 - 02/21/2008 10:56 AM |
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I'd also like to point out that this thread was brought back from the dead, as its last comment was in 12/01 - assistance dogs have made a lot of progress since then, and discussions about doing bite training on assistance dogs is bad, bad press for them. 
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