Chastity Tyler Webboard User Reg: 03-03-2004
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Hi everyone, I have a 14 wk old GSD, Kane (which some of you know) And I am going to be purchasing Eds training video on bite training for puppies, not to mention a few others by Ed. My question is about teaching a puppy to out.
Should this be taught from the begining or after you establish enought biting? Will teaching a puppy to out early in training cause problems later when you want him to hold on? I know the video will go through all this Im sure, but Im just trying to get a head start on some knowledge. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Also when where playing with his tug should I be giving him a bite command? Or just all in fun right now?
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Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001
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I'll offer for your consideration this advice that my grandfather gave me.
"He can't hold onto it forever, just wait. . .don't out."
He was saying that he didn't believe I should be outing my puppy after he takes a grip. If I want the prey item back I should just wait. He believed that you shouldn't teach an out till the dog is very firm on what he needs to be doing while on the bite. Teaching an out is very simple, laying a great foundation for bitework is not.
But, I have since altered this advice. I use food to trade for the prey item with young pups. I offer the food and say out, they drop prey to get food, I don't ever force an out and if they don't trade I wait them out if I need the prey item back. I'll also pull out another prey item sometimes and trade for that. Depends on the training goal.
Later you can put the thumbscrews to them and force the out issue, after the bitework is more solid.
With my 12 wk old pup, I have him doing short retrives now but don't out him yet. I want him bring me the article without worring about it being taken away. I just play around and either offer him food or sneak it away from him. He'll learn to keep a tight grip so I can't sneak it. When I decide he's not worried about loosing it, I'll just stop fighting with him and give a release command. Like VC said, they can't hold on forever. When he does release, he gets another treat of another toss depending on which gets the better response. As in Flinks Retrieve video, I don't plan on giving him a release command often. I don't want him to start worrying about loosing it.
There is a dog at the Sch club that was just imported. Everything was great but his out. He's learning that out means a rebite. Compulsion has put him where he was and outing was a battle. The TD stood for 15 mins before he would out the first time. After 4 weeks, the dog looks forward to the next bite. No more frustrated growling and shaking.
Chastity Tyler Webboard User Reg: 03-03-2004
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OK thanks you guys... I figured it was too soon to start outing him. And I also recently read that when you do start outing them, that you only out maybe every other day. So thank you for the input. I didnt want to do anything to set back his training.
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