Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001
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Does anyone care to offer any comments about intentionaly cross breeding dogs of similar types to increase health or working ability.
Example: Introducing the Saarloos Wolfhound in a GSD line to improve health? The Black Russian Terrier to infuse ,now mostly show, Bouvier and G. Schnauzer with working capability? Mals or Dutch sheps in a GSD line? or whatever?????????? Just a question.
In the Netherlands, police like to use a Malinois cross. I believe they feel that they will have a more predictable character because of the uniformity we were talking about on the other thread. Cross breeding is obviously the extreme of out crossing. Most ranchers in my area like to use an F1 Angus-Hereford cross for their "market" stock because of its predictability.
There is some discussion that this is being done. There is a previous case of it being done. In the 70's many people were discouraged that the Irish Setter would no longer hunt. So they out crossed to Gordon and English Setters to reinstill the hunting instincts and called the crosses Red Setters.
There is some discussion that the BRT is being used to cross to Giant's to increase size and conformation for the show ring. Of course nobody admits to it and the puppies are sold as Regestered Giants.
For the most part working people will either identify a breed they like and stick with it. There are some pockets of working dogs in almost every breed, they are just hard to find. The other way people handle this is to switch breeds. This is what I have done when I start to have problems getting what I want in a breed.
There have been several attempts at creating new breeds by crossing breeds with desired chacteristics to create a new breed. Then breeding the new breed until it breeds true for the desired chacteristics.
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What about this?
The Saarloos Wolfhound was bred by a Dutch geneticist named Leenert Saarloos. The dog is the result of a genetic experiment that is apparently partially successful. The Saarloos is specifically designed to eliminate hereditary diseases, such as Hip Dysplasia, in other breeding programs. The dogs ancestors were the wolf, German Shepherd, Dutch Shepherd, and Belgian Shepherd. The claim is that entering these animals into a line can make a significant difference in percentage of dogs born with hip and joint problems. At the same time the temperment of the aminal is very similar to the working line GSD and Mals. Also the dogs do not breed dominate for their coats or head structures. (this is what makes them look kinda like wolves) A respectable 6% to 10% Dysplastic rate can be lowered to 3% to 4%. With only the introduction of a few animals in the line. (This is the claim they stated, not me.) Does this sound great or what? Smells like crap to me though. But what if? comments?
I personally think that we need to put our test tubes away and quit trying to play mad scientist. There are many breeds out there that could use some improvement without creating new ones. It's more of a challenge and thus more rewarding.
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