Hi, sorry, but I can't find anything on "Bro" in the pedigree...Please, give me a hint
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A friend of mine was at a seminar that he was at and when he was pressured on the sleeve he really started to stress out. K9dog71 i think is correct. Take him out of his comfort zone (ie standard schutzhund routine) and you will see the real dog.
His owners have done very well with him even taking him to the DV Meisterschaft.
My main point really is that you cannot afford to put any weak American show blood in any working dog. I dont understand why this continues to happen. Cough "Cara" Cough <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Lisa, from what I've understood since coming here, is when you find a show line dog that is good, even if he's a great working dog, because of his genetics he will produce more show duds.

That's the main reason show lines are not preferred on this board generally, in regard for breeding purposes.

I've read where breeders in the past have tried to mix them to produce what's known as the
-Total Doberman or GSD, etc.-

This seems like an idea on the surface but it seems to result in watering down the lines. People who've tried didn't like their results I've read.

I think looking at the Malinois/Dutch Shepherds it's easy to see why they are still so solid. This is why many people you will meet here prefer 100% working lines.

Chris, the only reason I can assume is that they feel it will make their dog look better, or they feel the real thing is too stout. Maybe customers like this, I don't know.

Hello All,
Just some personal input on Bro's behalf. I've known Bro and his owners since he was a puppy. I've see him work at training, at seminars, and at trials. He is a very good working dog and an excellent example of the breed in both working ability and conformation. You might consider that he lived, was trained and trialed in Germany with his co-owner, and then came back here to his other co-owner to continue showing and trialing. The owner in Germany is a very experienced and accomplished trainer and helper, the owner here is a "novice" in the working aspect (when Bro came home). Consider how this can also affect the ability of the dog and handler team overall when you see him at a seminar??? All dogs have good and bad days, all people do too... (just food for thought as to the semnar comments)
But look at the overall accomplishments of the dog, he has accomplished things that very few other Dobermans in this county, or in the world have accomplished, and that should be recognised. Is he the greatested dog who has ever lived??? No, but then what dog is... But is he a very good dog both in structure, and temperament, who has shown these traits though competion, titles, awards, and breed surveys, YES. Has he produced sound healthy puppies with correct structure and sound stable temperaments, YES.
Is his pedigree for everyone, no, different strokes for different folks! But not every prospective new owner is ready for, or is looking for a "balls to the wall" working dog, and a dog who has sound stable temperament, and produces it too can be a very important contributor to a breed that in general in this country lacks sound temperament and working ability (Am.AKC Dobes).
Sorry I;ve gone on so long, but I felt a personal interest in this discussion, and I really do feel that Bro deserves more credit than he was being given.