I retract that you have an very small club, in fact thats fairly nice size organization after adding up the dogs. I saw 9 dogs at first glance, (I hate that but I'm only human). But there are at least 27 dogs there thats a nice size club. And they are already competing as you already mention, you are walking the walk. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Chris wrote...
We have 8 pits, 7 GSDs, 2 mals, 2 Bouviers, 2 american bulldogs, 2 rotties, 2 airdales, and a couple of Dobes. Not very common to see so many different breeds in one club but this is how our club is at the moment

Don, in defense of the APBT, that board linked to (which I also post on) is frequented by a bunch of retards.

don't forget that "pit bulls" commonly attract the bottom of the barrel of humanity. a 60lb APBT would be considered a very large dog by the standards of 30+ years ago, and the 80+lb dogs are virtually always mastiff crossed(dogue de bordeaux in particular) somewhere down the line.

The vast majority of APBT's out there are the equivalent of the show GSD, bred to have a certain look that doesn't even resemble the original breed-with little regard for temperament.

Adam

That basicaily what I was stating, but the dog needs no apology it flat out is the toughest little sucker, in the dog world sorta like our USA Marines/USA forces. Ask Iraqi's Republican Guards.

But on to the topic, like you the Pit Bull community seem to lack the overall common dignity that some/this board has, Not to make this board sound REGAL or anything but the topics are totally different sorta. And no other dogs types are mentioned that were not stirred into the making of a Pit. If they are mentioned the pit has killed them or will kill it. Bottom of the barrel is about right.

I did see some very positive stuff like dogs trained for SAR, SchH, Spring board, hog hunting, turkey hunting and weight pulling. The use of the dog to pull your car out of a ditch was most interesting your own private wrecker/tow truck.
A dog with a 7000lb - 10800lb pull strength sounds super human/dog.

Though 45-60lbs were the admitted real workers
60lb- 80lb pits were normal and the fad seemed to be the 90lb-127lb pit bulls/whatevers were the talk on that stream. Of course what makes a pure breed pitbull sounds like don't no body knows. Everything from the Matiff to the Am bull dog where either use to be a Pit or mixed in now.

If I got one I like the looks of the 80-90lb muscle bound pit/whatevers they don't look like the pits I use to know. But they are awesome looking dogs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I saw a pit at an Armin Winkler seminar a couple of years ago. The dog worked well and hit like a cannon ball, but seemed to take alot of heavy correctons in OB. They are exciting dogs but seem like alot of work to handle.

Chris Valdes wrote: "You can train the APBT to OUT the same way you do any other breed. Effective training is effective training is effective training. You say the apbt does not want to OUT. Can you please tell me which dog does? So i can stay away from that crappy temperament."


Now that was -F-ing funny. Good point Chris.


I'm no fan of APBTs as working dogs, but they are just dogs and there are good ones out there. All dogs can be trained, and in fact I just helped a friend put his CD on his little APBT bitch. Nice little dog.


The only thing I would add to the Pitt bashing side is that they tend to have been bred away from their natural threat displays that signal aggression. Very similar to some little terriers I have, they have no threat display. . .it is see aggression and respond with an attack. Thats it, kinda tough to read them unless you know your dog very very well.