In most of these lines you could find old DDR-blood and old west dogs like Mutz and lierburg. Beside that there is some old swedish army lines that goes along way back to the 50s in some cases. In fact some of the swedish dogs competing at the WUSV have been crosses between these old army-lines and more recent german dogs.
There are some working GSD's in France. This dog, Iorko de la Legende de Chantevent has what appear to be pure French lines going back through the pedigree that they give.
However, they are working German lines into their kennel - by breeding on of their bitches to Aly Vordersteinwald. My trainer/decoy worked Iorko when he was in France and spoke very highly of him.
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I still see the majority of the dogs there having close German influence, with one or two exceptions.
I don't want to disparage any country or breeder's own individual bloodlines (well. . .actually I don't mind so much slamming the French right now. . .LOL), but I still see a common theme of everpresent influence from German dogs. Where I see that I personally don't consider the bloodline to be distinct and seperate.
When I say swedish bloodlines I mean something like the Czech bloodlines,dogs with little or no german dogs in the pedigree until early 70s and further back. There are still such lines here, even if many are mixed with modern german workinglines today. Here is a litter born in 85 that I call swedsih bloodlines because they still exist today. http://home.no.net/stamtavl/kurants%20v1-kull.html
As I mentioned there are also like in Czech,a few lines who was breed by the government for servicework since mid 30s. Here is a policedog from such a line, some of his lines traces back to the 40s without no german dogs, click on the pics to get a closer look. http://medlem.spray.se/vargsjon/idex_sida.htm
I think with modern technology, (computers), any bloodlines in countries like czech, Slovik are easly available. There is no hidden country with bloodlines the computer can not and has not found already.
I think as breeders most look for new blood (if it is even compatible for reproduction with our females) for health and outcross but really it does not exist.
My new male is half German/Belgium. I like the cross with some KNPV titled dogs in his pedigree as well.
I am not sure I ever heard of someone buying a swiss import!!!!
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Swiss and Swedish are not the same thing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> , even if I know many americans confuse switzerland with Sweden.
Vancamp wondered if there were a difference between these older swedish lines and more common german workinglines. I think there are more difference between induvidual dogs than different lines, and I guess thats true for all lines.
But there are some differences in general, swedish lines have not been breed for the fullmouth grip to the same grade like in germany, they also seems to be little less preydriven, a bit sharper some would say and therefore their aggression are more easily stimulated in training. Another thing is that many german/belgian dogs are only kenneldogs, whereas most swedish dogs are familydogs who should function in various environments, not just the SCH-field and then back to the kennel.
Shortly I would say that swedish lines are more of a servicedog-type, not breed so hard only for the sport of SCH like in germany/belgium.
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