This conversation though it is about nerves grips and DVG vs. Schutzhund USA, it also sounds like why there is a difference between true protection dogs and sports dogs. There should not be a difference, but when there are man made sipulations that are implimented on the dog but not neccesarily natural ones, then you get dogs that lose points for natural confident behavior, and dogs that gain points for trained unatural bahaviors that become unreliable as an indicator of a truelly confident strong dog that will protect you. Some will say this is an obediance thig, and well if it is maybe some of the requirements placed on an otherwise solid dog are unreasonable.
A club member of ours is madder than heck that he has to go get his SchH 1 title again, because he got his SchH 1 with a DVG club. He now has SchH III many times over with this dog under SchH USA. He cannot become a Schutzhund III club member until he does this.
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I've never been, so I don't know. But, Americans do pretty damn good at the Deutsche Meistershaft and from what I have seen of the dogs that went over they had good grip and good fight, so I'm assuming at that level that grip plays a more important role, but I doubt it is judged as harshly as say. . .the BSP.
From what I have been told and seen of some of the dogs that have gone over there from the States to and win or place high, is that as long as the dog bites hard and is sure and the bite is not any shallower the 3/4 it will score full points. Now if the dog is biting 3/4 but is not strong and sure it will loose some points.
I was just intrested if the FCI Championships was judged on the same level of the DM or if they also wanted the fullness.
Originally posted by Michael Talyor Rivers: In the FCI World Cup, what is the judging like for grips, as it is an all breed deal? A friend of mine was over there and watched the trail (most of it) and he told me that the dogs that he put at a V, scored high 80's very or low 90's and it was due to the fact that the dogs did not bite calm enough and the grips were not extremley full. We are not talking about a 3/4 bite , but not yet full, and they were banged big time. While there were dogs that got 3/4 grips, they were hit harder in most cases. If I am not mistaken the judge was the head SV judge. I guess I got my answer, just thought I would share.
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