No, roach is result of bent spine; which was introduced (by someones "briliant" idea) to make it withstand more stress (like arch in bridge building). As a result they got dogs that have seriously reduced movement and flexibilty.
When i say slope i mean angle that back makes with ground, and that is result of angulation of back legs. (spine is straight here)
If your speaking of just the slope, then Charlie said it best. Just a show thing. The slope becomes more excessive with excessive angulation. The more the angulation, the steeper the slope. My guess it is supposed to designate action. Kinda like Superman comics that show his hands thrust out in front of him. Same results for me. Comic book!
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Someone posted a web page with pictures and drawings of the various slopes and backs of "working gsd's" and "show gsd's" if they could repost that, it would be greatly appreciated.
If you look at the position of the rear feet in a working line dog you will see why the dogs looked sloped in some photos and not others. The Slope that should exist is a result of the position of the rear feet (one foot under the body, one back). This foot position is good for directing force forward, much like a sprinter. Often in the Show line dogs in addition to the tip of the pelvis if you measure it the front legs are a bit longer than the back. This increases the slope and is toatally usless in overall movement. If you watch the showline dog move they maintain the slope, the working line dog the back is level in movement.
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Looking at the pictures of the typical north American Shepherds and their handlers, the horrible abominations should be shot dead on site - the poor dogs dont stand a chance with them around <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I recently met a USA showline champion female; the BYBs are much better looking dogs IMHO and I am NOT an advocate of BYB by a longshot.
I did not realize how bad it has become, I had a dog from Am Showlines in the early 80s who was linebred on Lance of Fran-Jo and his conformation was definitely not good but no where near as bad as today and his temperament was fine, actually he was quite a tough and NOT fearful dog as we see today..
Until you see one of these dogs in motion the pictures do NOT do them justice....
I wanted to cry.
I DO have a question though. IT *does* seem like many in the working lines are too long in the back. Is that a fair assesment and, if so, where did it come from? I am NO fan of any showlines.
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