I do not know anything about bloodlines, pedigrees, etc. I am new to the sport entirely (want to make sure you understand in case I ask something kind of dumb) I would like to see if anyone has an opinion on what I know about my pup's bloodlines. (Well, I actually don't have her yet. The litter was just born and I will be getting the puppy in February) HEre is what I know about the parents, tell me what you think: The mom is titled ZVV1, KKL1 (could somebody tell me what KKL1 is?) and A Hips. She is a granddaughter of Dark Gymor and (hope spelling is correct) Venusina Sopka Breeding THat is all I know of the mother. The father is titled ZM (don't know what that is), SCH2, SVV3 (breeder is quite proud of this...similar to Schutzhund maybe?? Czech Schutzhund?? The pedigree is in some other language maybe the titles are too.) Has a Breed Test of 5/55 (no clue). He is the grandson of Car z Kostolianskej. The pup is supposed to have a lot of Czech blood. I think that is good but don't know how a Czech dog is any different than a German dog as far as working ability. What difference does it make where the pup's ancestors were born?? (I hope you are not all laughing now Please enlighten me! Bye. Jennie
There is a whole section of the board for Czech German Shepherds. If you look there and read the old threads (you will need to set it to "show all topics") all your questions and then some will be answered.
Jennie, answers to a couple of your questions:
Regarding the breed survey; check out the following link http://www.lexicon.net/vonultimate/pdf/DDRBreedSurveySystem.pdfif you work through it you will see that 5/55 means a dog of normal size with very good sharpness and hardness SVV3 actually sounds to me like the dog was titled in slovakia as opposed to the czech republic, if it was in the czech republic, the title would be ZVV3. If you take a look at http://www.lexicon.net/vonultimate/working.htm it will give you a brief idea of czech titles like zm and zvv/svv3. The ZVV3 tracking sounds pretty challenging since the track must be a minimum of 3 hours old. normally a Sch3 track would only be 90 minutes old I think...a few other things are different such as commanding the dog to crawl and walking a balance beam - we don't do those things in schutzhund - but there are certainly similar things too between zvv/svv and sch - like sit, heeling, long down, running blinds and of course engaging the helper.
There are some recognisable differences between czech breeding and west german breeding. I say west german because nearly all czech bloodlines come from bloodlines produced in the old east germany - ddr..since ddr and the old czechoslovakia were on the same side of the iron curtain..it's not that hard to understand why the czech guys choose ddr dogs to start breeding with. Many working gsd in that region were destined to be border patrol or police dogs. As a result of this you may find ddr/czech dogs are more suspicious of people or moving objects and are generally more "sharp" - they may have a lower threshold to react to a given stimulus..I have a pup out of czech bloodlines..even when only 12 weeks old if I walked him at night and he saw/heard someone approaching us (even from 100m away) he would bark at them...In terms of appearance you might also find czech dogs have very dark pigment around the face and I haven't seen too many that aren't sable - although my dog's sire is bi-colour. To determine whether you should get a czech dog is not possible since I don't know why you want it and what you are looking for. Can't comment on the breeding without more info - kennel names of both the sire and dam. Also DDR/czech bred dogs are very much in the minority when it comes to the WUSV (world gsd schutzhund champs) - outnumbered by west german breeding by a mile so if high points and high competition are your aim that may be something to consider - but there are some cezch dogs that do well..
I am so thrilled to hear about the Czech characteristics!! I read on the breeder's description of one of her dogs (Czech dog) that the dog 'does not see the handler as the carrier of the sleeve,' but is seriously protecting when he is doing his work. (Can't remember excactly how she put it.) And I thought that was good because I want the dog to actually protect me if need be, not just bite only a sleeve. I had assumed that a Schutzhund dog would be a protection dog after its training was complete. I have since been corrected on this and apparently there is some other kind of training that the dog will need. I am glad that it is quite likely that the pup will at least have the genes for protecing. I have been reluctant to post the name of the breeder / kennel because if anyone has something negative to say it will really ruin my day, especially now that the litter is born. But here goes (please somebody say something good...) I am buying the pup from Laura Krpan at Von Zoeller Kennels. All of their dogs are titled and they are all working dogs, there is not a show dog in the entire kennel. It is a smaller kennel and I am hoping that that means more time for each dog from the owner. Well, I will wait anxiously to hear anything. Thanks so much. Jennie
Have heard that the kenenl name is part of the dog's name, right? If that is true then maybe this will mean something to someone. The mother's name to my puppy I am getting in February is Flame z Danaru and the father's name is Gaston z Juranovej Doliny. So that last part is the name of the kennel they were born at?? Thanks for your time, and thanks for all the great information!! I am getting more excited about getting this puppy the more I read!! Jennie
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