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ASR has food refusal as a part of one of it's exercises, but I think that any dog that is being considered for ppd work should undergo this training as part of it's core requirements.

I've seen to many "pets" being poisonned so i considder food refusal a basic training for every dog. And those who find it to cruel, hopefully they don't have to look for another dog after their dog ate something

Greetings

Johan

Any specifics you want to share re how you do it?
And at what age? And whether you include grass from your garden?

Some specific training questions are like pulling teeth, huh? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Any specifics you want to share re how you do it?
And at what age? And whether you include grass from your garden?

Some specific training questions are like pulling teeth, huh? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

The how i explained earlier, basicaly some mousetraps, jummy food and a third person placing it
About the grass; i don't bother let him eat it he needs it

Greetings

Johan

Age?

Is this question aimed at dogs who compete where food is used as a distraction or is it for outside the competition ring?

10 months a year depends on maturity of the dog. Mine i did at 14 months but he is a bit late in his developement

Greetings


Johan

...Outside the competition ring(s). For practical dogs, that serve as either police dogs or personal protection.

But now that you mention it...

In your view, should this be trained at a different age for sport, vs PPD, vs PSD?

There's a big difference in training food refusal for a sport exercise and training food refusal for real.

The only practical way I've found to train realistic food refusal is to use a ton of compulsion.

You can either set up electrified food drops where the dog zaps himself or you can apply the compulsion yourself with an e-collar.

It's pretty damn simple.

Dog only eats out of a metal bowl or from food handed to him by you, everything else he gets a serious correction for even getting near or putting his mouth on. You do it over and over, in as many different locations and situations as possible, so the dog generalizes that any piece of food on the planet other that what's in his bowl is going to fry him.


This is only really a major issue, IMO, with yard dogs. Dogs who are area guard dogs who work without supervision who could be neutralized with poisons or with food.

Police K9 handlers or PP owners might want to do something similar if there is the possibility of the dog being poisoned while off duty in a kennel or yard when unsupervised.


I don't worry one bit about doing refusal of offered food (as in bad guy trying to hand my dog some food)with my dogs. Well selected dogs and well trained dogs usually won't be distracted by food in someone's hands they want to bite the everliving hell out of. My dogs like to bite more than they like to eat.



Is that what you're looking for?

Robert,
At what stage of a dogs training do you introduce these methods? I'm guessing that the dog must already have a good understanding of tracking before you give corrections for eating stuff off the floor.
Just curious as to how you balance the tracking work with this compulsion.

I don't train this for dogs doing sport tracking, or for young dogs.

But if you felt the need to do so you would want the dog to have a good tracking foundation and then train the food refusal in other situations. The dog will be able to understand the difference. Go from food refusal one day to your regular tracking regime, to food refusal. Continue training them together. If you do it from day one the dog probably won't have a problem.

I don't think it's very practical for sport dogs to have to go through this training anyway.