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You've got to be -F-ing kidding me? Don't do that, Denise. This breed of ours can produce some dogs that can hurt people or other animals. Training is required, not giving the dog the Final Solution. That's what you signed up for when you got a German Shepherd Dog

Thats what you singed up for? He singed up to have his other animals killed? He singed up to have the dog attack him while OB training? And Im sure in your opinion he singed up for courts, jail, fines and prision time if the dog kills a 6 year old kid like it was his other animal in his town, right? Wow if thats what you get when you get a GSD, hell, sign me up too, I want two or three of thoughs. Come on, you truly cant beleave he singed up to have one of his animals killed. I mean really, be real. I take it you have no permanet scares from a dog bite, at lest you dont seem like a person who has ever had to stay in the ER for a week because your face had just been ripped off by a dog. I wounder if you even know any one this has happend to. I have a cousin that had a 100 pound Rottie and after two years of owning the dog, the dog bite his upper lip right off his face while my cousin was sleeping, because my cousin rolled over on the dog. Since then he has been though 6 plastic surgerys and will need a few more befor his face looks like it did befor the attack. He will never again be able to feel his lip, the nerve endings are dead and it is not even his lip that is on his face, the skin is off his back, they never found the lip, they think the dog swolloed it. But, I guess he singed up for that, thats what you sing up for when you get a Rottie. Right? Needless to say the dog was put down the next day, I guess that was wrong too, right. From what your saying, he sould have keep and looked at the dog every day of his life. He did not need to keep the dog any more, now he will have the dog forever, that dog will live as long as my cousin. If my cousin ever wants to see that dog though out his life all he will have to do is look in the mirror. Good thing he singed up for that. He is E-mailing picutes from the E-R and the blood that was sprayed though out his house while calling 911, to me. I will post all the pictures he sends me, so every one can see him and what he singed up for.

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Just about every word in this paragraph I strongly disagree with. If using real aggression is "bad training" then I'm a helluva bad trainer. . .and so are a lot of the other people training for dogsports, police K9, and personal protection. Being able to do stupid stuff to your dog is not a sign of good temperament. God help the idiot who tries to pull my girl's ears.

Stupid stuff? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Buddy, you have to be joking. I bet you have the kind of protection trained dogs that have to be put in back room when you have people come over to your house for dinner. Being able to live with a dog that acks normall and nonaggressive untill it is out in the field is good training and not stupid. Being able to have your 5 year old daughter socialize with a dog like a pet and still have it win shows is a sing of good training. There is nothing stupid about living with a good house pet, and, still having a good show dog. If you were as good of a trainer as you claim you would have figered this out by now. As far as being the idiot that pulls your dogs ears, I would LOVE to be that idiot. I put junk dogs like yours down for a living here in TN and would take great pleasure in taking your canserus dog out of society.

Dave.


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David,
If I see a statement like that again ever in any of your posts that could be viewed as a threat, I'll ban you from this site so fast it'll make your head spin.
You get one offical warning on this forum, and this is it.
Thread carefully, I'll be watching your future posting closely.

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It seems to me that being someone who puts dogs down for a living, you are very quick to jump to this conclusion. Having never seen the dog in question, I am surprised that anyone would jump to this conclusion just because their dog is a little handler aggressive. It's bad/lack of training, not a necesarily a bad dog. Perhaps we should put down all the 5 year olds that have kicked their mother and screamed "I hate you!" when they were told "No you can't have a toy". It's the parents/handlers job to teach the dog manners.

As for killing other pets - my parents dobermans used to chase down iguanas and kill them, my friends GSD when he was a boy killed diamond back rattlers, my dog likes to chase cats, birds and dragonflies, I'm not gonna kill him for it. Some dogs won't live in harmony with other animals in the home, some dogs can be trained to be ok with it, some dogs just don't care.

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If you were as good of a trainer as you claim you would have figered this out by now.

Hoo boy. Venturing into deep deep waters there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Anna, you beat me to the reply on cropping. As completely idiotic as it is, AKC wont allow a dog in obedience competition if it has been cropped, docked, or otherwize physically alterd from the breed standards. Cut their nutz off, but dont touch their ears or tails if it's not in the standard. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I'm not trying to jump into a fight here, but I have to say this.

David. You cousin had his lip bitten off because he allowed an obviously dominant and aggressive dog to sleep in his bed. Read Ed's article on dealing with a dominant dog and note what he says about allowing the dog to sleep in your bed. Article Unfortunately you cousin paid a very big price for his mistake.

A dog like the one in question needs a complete evaluation by someone who has real experience with aggresive dogs.
The whole picture needs to be taken into account. Living situation, the degree of understanding that the owner has of the animal, the goals and interests of that person, not just the character of the dog.
There are also questions of the ability to change these behaviors in light of the conditions the dog is living in and with the person who owns it.
For some dogs the answer might be to place the dog with the help of someone well versed in dogs of an aggresive nature, for some it could well be euthanasia. But, it can't be seen without viewing and testing the dog for drives, character traits, and nerve strength.

Oh, and because people are beginning to behave badly in this thread without the requisite background information about the animal in question and becasue it has essentially gone to bashing others we'll just close this thread.