Matthew Grubb Webboard User Reg: 09-27-2002
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I recently was shown a method for working on the out that I have never seen before in my area. I wanted to get some opinions on this before I tried it. The exercise is done on post with a harness.
One pinch collar is placed on the dog with the live ring back by the ears. A long line is attached and is worked by the handler.
A second pinch collar is placed directly below the first with the live ring facing down from the dogs chin. A shorter line is attached for the helper to use after the dog is on the bite.
When the out command is given, both the decoy and handler will apply steady pressure on the pinch until the dog outs.
The trainer who was going to show this to us picked a dog with some bad grip issues that needed to be addressed before we even touched the out, so I didn’t get to see this method at all.
I have seen that, but only to clean up a dog...not to teach the out. The handler outs the dog, and the helper corrects improper re-bites.
Can you explain the method and the objectives in more detail? What is accomplished by having the dog tied to a fixture? Does a specific problem get corrected using that system? Is the idea to distract the dog's attention FROM the handler to the helper? What kind of dogs it is used on?
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Matthew Grubb Webboard User Reg: 09-27-2002
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Can you explain the method and the objectives in more detail? What is accomplished by having the dog tied to a fixture? Does a specific problem get corrected using that system? Is the idea to distract the dog's attention FROM the handler to the helper? What kind of dogs it is used on?
This was a working PSD who failed the aggression control portion of certification because he would not out.
This particular dog has really poor grip due to a number of factors. The bite is extremely shallow and chatty. IMO you have to address the grip issue before you even start to look toward fixing this particular dog’s out.
As far as the posting of the dog goes… I like to work most aggression issues on post. It just makes life easier. It’s easier to focus on making a better correction when needed, it’s easier and safer for your decoy.
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