Melissa Hoyer wrote 10/27/2005 09:39 AM Teaching a dog to back up in position... #87946 - 10/27/2005 09:39 AM
Melissa Hoyer Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2005 Posts: 1340 Loc: SE Michigan Offline	In Rally-O, one of the exercises is to walk backwards three steps while your dog remains in heel position. My dog and I attempted this for the first time last night and let me tell you, it wasn't particularly fun! The problem is that Grace wants to sit when I begin to back up. She will move with me, with some assistance, but she does not stay in position (she ends up on an angle with her butt very far from me...) Any ideas on how to teach this? Can honestly say I am at a loss at the moment and would welcome any advice... Thanks! Melissa
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Jason Demko wrote 10/27/2005 10:07 AM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: Melissa Hoyer ] #87947 - 10/27/2005 10:07 AM
Jason Demko Webboard User Reg: 07-02-2003 Posts: 60 Loc: PA Offline	melissa, A simple way to help train this is to loop a leash under her back side. Position your self next to a wall (that will prevent her from getting out of position. Hold the lead in your left hand and a food reward in your right. Bring your right hand across your body and wave her back. if she takes even one step backward reward her with the treat. It shouldn't take long for her to catch on. Good luck, Jason Jason Some days you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrant.
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Sammy Blondin wrote 10/27/2005 10:45 AM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: Melissa Hoyer ] #87948 - 10/27/2005 10:45 AM
Sammy Blondin Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2002 Posts: 308 Loc: Offline	I spend a long time in the beginning teaching the actual heel position, without taking any steps. Dog sat by my left side,nice and straight, looking up at me. Once you have this 100% solid the dog will stay there whether you go backwards, forwards, sideways, roundways.. whatever. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Michele Moore wrote 10/27/2005 01:13 PM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: Melissa Hoyer ] #87949 - 10/27/2005 01:13 PM
Michele Moore Webboard User Reg: 09-20-2004 Posts: 66 Loc: AZ Offline	I'll try to describe how I taught my puppy to back up. I started off with him in front of me and held some food in my hands, then put my closed hands in front of his nose (he knows the food is there at this point) and pushed towards him. When he backs up without sitting I marked it (with a verbal marker). Then I added the "back" command afterwards and just weaned off of the hand movement. Michele
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Will Rambeau wrote 10/27/2005 02:18 PM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: Michele Moore ] #87950 - 10/27/2005 02:18 PM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	I use the same method as Michele does and I teach it to all my dogs. Although it's basically a "house" command ( like "shoo" or go lay down" as opposed to "platz" ) I find it handy in several situations and worth the effort of training the dog to do reliably. The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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jeff oehlsen wrote 10/27/2005 04:35 PM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: Sammy Blondin ] #87951 - 10/27/2005 04:35 PM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	Amazing what a good foundation does for you. Of course if you ask Buko lately he thinks that it is one step bite, sit bite, down bite, tug not available bite dad, Heel too much bite dad, Oh the joy of training. Sometimes I wonder what the point was. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Melissa Hoyer wrote 10/28/2005 08:25 AM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #87952 - 10/28/2005 08:25 AM
Melissa Hoyer Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2005 Posts: 1340 Loc: SE Michigan Offline	Thanks for the great ideas! I'm going to try them out in a little bit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I'm curious to see how she does now that I have some ideas and we are not in the distracting setting of training class. Sammy - She's got the heel position down...problem is she backs up in a sitting position essentially and that just won't do for this exercise. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Carol Hayes wrote 10/29/2005 02:35 PM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: Melissa Hoyer ] #87953 - 10/29/2005 02:35 PM
Carol Hayes Webboard User Reg: 10-27-2003 Posts: 31 Loc: Alaska Offline	I used the same method Michele used as well. My dog knew what "back" meant before we decided to do Rally, which made it really easy to transfer it over to her heeling. Since in rally you can talk to them, just before we are about to go backwards, I ask her "are you ready to back" so she has a clue and starts to slow down. When I am ready I tell her to "back" and we start moving backwards, while still in heel position. We have worked on the backwards heeling, both from a sit and while we were moving forward. She is now at the point where I can go all the way across the yard with her heeling backwards. We are now working on her RAE title and still have NOT gotten to heel backwards in a trial yet <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> We worked so hard on it I am hoping eventually we will get to try it when it really counts <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Bob Scott wrote 10/29/2005 07:57 PM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: Melissa Hoyer ] #87954 - 10/29/2005 07:57 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I stand my dog, facing me, between the car and garage wall. With a "back" command, I step towards him. He automaticall backs up because he can't turn around. Reward on 1-2 steps, then gradually extend it. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Melissa Hoyer wrote 10/29/2005 10:06 PM Re: Teaching a dog to back up in position... [Re: Bob Scott ] #87955 - 10/29/2005 10:06 PM
Melissa Hoyer Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2005 Posts: 1340 Loc: SE Michigan Offline	We're making progress...Hadn't thought about it before, but she actually sorta knows the command. When I'm gonna toss a toy for her and she is too close to me...I tell her to back up and she listens. Now, I just need to reinforce it in a more serious training manner so to speak.
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