May 23, 2011
Some breeders advertise pink papers. What is this all about?
Full Question:
Mr. Frawley I have several of your training videos and I must say that I have gained so much from them. I think that even though I am new to the sport I am ready to look into a puppy that I can develop into a competition dog.The biggest problem that I run into though is there are many breeders that say that SV papers represent the best way to get a good puppy prospect, others say that the papers don't mean squat. I have heard that they are sent to Germany and just stamped there and that's all that there is to it. I called your kennels and was told that your pups are only AKC registered not "Pink Papered." Please help me. I am so interested in your stock.
Cindy's Answer:
This pink paper thing has been around since the beginning of time. It's a non- issue as far as I am concerned.
In Germany dogs whose parents have both been Koer Classes get pink papers. It makes not difference if both parents could never be working dogs or could never produce a personal protection dog much less a police service dog. They still get koerd and they still get pink papered.
If you are interested in show dogs then this is an issue you need to consider. If you are interested in working dogs it's a joke. Dogs from Belgium, Holland, USA or Chech can not get pink papers because the breed organizations in these countries do not use that system so they don't have pink papers. Yet every one of these countries has produced some great working dogs.(mostly from old German working bloodlines)
So if a breeders goal is produce show dogs under the German System they can talk "pink papers" but if they are talking working lines then they are new to the game and are pulling at straws to find ways to sell their dogs.
Another question I get asked is about the "VA" and "V" ratings before dogs names in a pedigree. The "V" rating means the dog is a German show champion. When a conformation show takes place in Germany the judge will pick all the dogs who he feels that fall into the top category and give them a "V" show rating. They must only get this rating one time to display it on their pedigree. The top dog in that show gets a "V1" the second place dog is "V2" etc.
Every year the Germans have their Sieger show. This is the largest conformation breed show of the year. The dog that wins this show is called the Sieger. He receives a show rating of "VA1" There can be as many as 12 VA dogs at the Sieger show. So all of these dogs can have "VA" before their name. The sieger show is the only place a dog may obtain a "VA" rating for his pedigree.
If people are interested in purchasing a working dog and see "VA" titles in the pedigrees of the parents, this should throw up a red flag. "VA" dogs are not working dogs, there has not been a "VA" dog in the past 25 years that is known to produce working dogs.
In Germany dogs whose parents have both been Koer Classes get pink papers. It makes not difference if both parents could never be working dogs or could never produce a personal protection dog much less a police service dog. They still get koerd and they still get pink papered.
If you are interested in show dogs then this is an issue you need to consider. If you are interested in working dogs it's a joke. Dogs from Belgium, Holland, USA or Chech can not get pink papers because the breed organizations in these countries do not use that system so they don't have pink papers. Yet every one of these countries has produced some great working dogs.(mostly from old German working bloodlines)
So if a breeders goal is produce show dogs under the German System they can talk "pink papers" but if they are talking working lines then they are new to the game and are pulling at straws to find ways to sell their dogs.
Another question I get asked is about the "VA" and "V" ratings before dogs names in a pedigree. The "V" rating means the dog is a German show champion. When a conformation show takes place in Germany the judge will pick all the dogs who he feels that fall into the top category and give them a "V" show rating. They must only get this rating one time to display it on their pedigree. The top dog in that show gets a "V1" the second place dog is "V2" etc.
Every year the Germans have their Sieger show. This is the largest conformation breed show of the year. The dog that wins this show is called the Sieger. He receives a show rating of "VA1" There can be as many as 12 VA dogs at the Sieger show. So all of these dogs can have "VA" before their name. The sieger show is the only place a dog may obtain a "VA" rating for his pedigree.
If people are interested in purchasing a working dog and see "VA" titles in the pedigrees of the parents, this should throw up a red flag. "VA" dogs are not working dogs, there has not been a "VA" dog in the past 25 years that is known to produce working dogs.
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